Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:40084) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8bym-0000kI-35; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:27 -0700 Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10sf3508413eaa.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6lOv7NXcHrs6GhUr46mOH8IID/eoF0Eiroc5TyAL0rE=; b=s2o2CTdX56Q8LdVxOdt1vknLY1FgXApk3l8/z6Cf3EN28xqkfJ/J63JA1LoEbjFPeM 2P9jvoMDKQmwNhZPrWprOie9nr677lVzvCUujGjlJtRFGCFaxAfTpC2JgmxvglW892m2 +Q2l/L3SYsj5A/9N5dBzN4CBS/xM3XdKeOd98= Received: by 10.205.114.13 with SMTP id ey13mr287367bkc.32.1331922848148; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.226.131 with SMTP id iw3ls6256067bkb.4.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr366092bkw.7.1331922846621; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr366091bkw.7.1331922846585; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f179.google.com (mail-lb0-f179.google.com [209.85.217.179]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si7174192bkb.3.2012.03.16.11.34.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.179; Received: by lbbgn12 with SMTP id gn12so2255765lbb.38 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.25.40 with SMTP id z8mr1322570lbf.11.1331922846114; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.148.225 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:34:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <63F088B5-13F1-4F12-A4A6-C5BDE6EDC727@yahoo.com> References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <1331852702.89095.YahooMailNeo@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> <63F088B5-13F1-4F12-A4A6-C5BDE6EDC727@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:34:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.179 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d040122a31c635504bb6074f1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d040122a31c635504bb6074f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have no idea what that means. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford wrote: > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is <1110>. It's > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by the > elimination of the <11> line in context. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context. > > stevo > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: > >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a or >> .onai., so it doesn't count. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford < >> kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that >>> "or" is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible way to >>> say .a >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < >>> lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Oh. Of course. >>>> >>>> stevo >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford < >>>> kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> andor, i.e. or >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < >>>>> lytlesw@gmail.com> >>>>> *To:* >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of >>>>> Arabic" >>>>> >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or about'. >>>>> Googling didn't help. >>>>> >>>>> stevo >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can never >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Arabic >>>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi < >>>>> muhammad.nael@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabic a >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanings of >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he used... >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added some bits >>>>> of my own after translation... >>>>> >>>>> MN >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o >> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --f46d040122a31c635504bb6074f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have no idea what that means.

On Fri, M= ar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
=
"or" in English (and logic, where w= e are supposed to be) is <1110>. =A0It's apparent use for niff/xo= r, <0110> is determined pragmatically by the elimination of the <1= 1> line in context.

Sent from my iPad

On Ma= r 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:

<= /div>
"Or" is not often ambiguous in con= text.=A0

stevo

On Thu,= Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
"or" in English (not logic) is amb= iguous as to whether it means .a or .onai., so it doesn't count.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, Jo= hn E. Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Speaking as a = logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that "or" is sh= orter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 15, 20= 12, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

I like to distinguish between xor and = and/or, because English is ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" = is just the shortest possible way to say .a

On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Oh. Of course.

stevo
=


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at = 7:05 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
andor, i.e. or


From: MorphemeAddict <<= a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2= 012 5:21 PM
Subject: Re:= [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic"

What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean '= ;in or about'. Googling didn't help.=A0

stevo
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can n= ever understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his A= rabic would even give better English, and that's saying something.


On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi <= ;muhammad.nael@gm= ail.com> wrote:
Buroq usually=A0omitted=A0the 'be' copula in many = places where in Arabic a 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This = goes on true with adjectives, placement and presence of the/a, etc... I=A0b= asically=A0took the meanings of his words and put them in Arabic ignoring t= he syntax and grammar he used... I ended up with a pretty understandable Ar= abic piece and I added some bits of my own after translation...

MN
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