Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:65235) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8cQk-00012x-Qc; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:16 -0700 Received: by obbuo6 with SMTP id uo6sf354223obb.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0Ut2JLXIkhim3vLO0jKS7qBnC2lFKZK9SOegJml5gcw=; b=kqBfbSOnfTzea+V9BerGTkDQj34qOR+yb8X2jK22yFvQPzU85e2HH+BcqxVReihliV zch6WKHnVbx0STY7s2UeBobcJnKckd3ZpH3Z5SzZqLN978Gt/6kQjLzf3Ug2esqWz489 l/1nTPWWA0dxBjw2HHCR6ErHjpi5wyocbsHPc= Received: by 10.52.177.5 with SMTP id cm5mr361980vdc.16.1331924584276; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:04 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.120.9 with SMTP id b9ls766391vcr.7.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.180.102 with SMTP id dn6mr377834vdc.6.1331924583511; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:03:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <1331852702.89095.YahooMailNeo@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> <63F088B5-13F1-4F12-A4A6-C5BDE6EDC727@yahoo.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.11 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/17.0.963.79 Safari/535.11,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <95aa38b8-13eb-4fb8-a2fc-79a69cc87a3c@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" From: ianek To: lojban X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / He's speaking thruth tables. On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I have no idea what that means. > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford = wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is <1110>. =A0= It's > > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by the > > elimination of the <11> line in context. > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > > > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context. > > > stevo > > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < > > eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a or > >> .onai., so it doesn't count. > > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford < > >> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note that > >>> "or" is shorter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor. > > >>> Sent from my iPad > > >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < > >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is > >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest possible w= ay to > >>> say .a > > >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < = > >>> lytl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> Oh. Of course. > > >>>> stevo > > >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford < > >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > >>>>> andor, i.e. or > > >>>>> =A0 ------------------------------ > >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com> > >>>>> *To:* > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com > >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of > >>>>> Arabic" > > >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or abou= t'. > >>>>> Googling didn't help. > > >>>>> stevo > > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < > >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can ne= ver > >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his Ar= abic > >>>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. > > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi < > >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in Arabi= c a > >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with adjectives, > >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the meanin= gs of > >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar he= used... > >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added so= me bits > >>>>> of my own after translation... > > >>>>> MN > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'= o > >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > >>>>> =A0-- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >>>>> -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >>>>> =A0 -- > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >>>> =A0-- > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >>>> Groups "lojban" group. > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>>> > >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > >>>> > >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > >>> -- > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > >> =A0-- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Gro= ups > >> "lojban" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to > >> lojban@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> > >>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > =A0-- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! 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