Received: from mail-ey0-f189.google.com ([209.85.215.189]:55087) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8eN2-0002CB-Rb; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:37 -0700 Received: by eaan10 with SMTP id n10sf3597372eaa.16 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ak90CQG1eyay5IJAcZuuYXgpn2HWl0Abvg2j1EtBSEg=; b=PSx0eXsRgxdnj+Y2hDWqo+Zphg6Bg6Q6hWE6JIjhlLPtcq9TihMEuhzi+XZcNwLkPb lrZoZYRkh5TT7WVK2+vc1AwfihEhIi/tUtBCichvv05YeUAGK6Y0kbEUy/hszVMHfUHi 8Q+ziYWcwfbRBlsz/p8d9KEbbY6iG5KeH5Cvc= Received: by 10.204.152.149 with SMTP id g21mr336918bkw.19.1331932041424; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.4 with SMTP id m4ls6185173bkw.1.gmail; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr404263bku.8.1331932039504; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.143.143 with SMTP id v15mr404262bku.8.1331932039459; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f173.google.com (mail-lb0-f173.google.com [209.85.217.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si7601534bkz.0.2012.03.16.14.07.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.173; Received: by lbon3 with SMTP id n3so3193758lbo.18 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.39.36 with SMTP id m4mr1431554lbk.100.1331932038929; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:07:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Mar 2012 14:06:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <1238c2a6-9582-4fd1-adb7-c122292ffb2e@cj6g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <1331852702.89095.YahooMailNeo@web81303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <13C5A7CE-28CC-4FDE-938B-5C777CBC0EDF@yahoo.com> <63F088B5-13F1-4F12-A4A6-C5BDE6EDC727@yahoo.com> <95aa38b8-13eb-4fb8-a2fc-79a69cc87a3c@w32g2000vbt.googlegroups.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 17:06:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of Arabic" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2ea00b9e9704bb629873 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --e0cb4efe2ea00b9e9704bb629873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Not just clearer, but excellently done. stevo On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > What he is saying is a relationship let's call it "%" between two > statements, A and B, can be represented in the following way: > A B A%B > True True > True False > False True > False False > > Now, how do we fill in that last column? Well, in the case of > inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. In the case of Exclusive Or, > it's False, True, True, False. > > Now, since the first two columns are always in a standard order, we > don't really need to talk about them. We can just say that "A inclusive or > B" is "True, True, True, False" and A xor B is " False, True, True, > False. ". And to be really compact, we can substitute T or F for True and > False, making them "TTTF" and "FTTF" respectively. Or we can use "1" for > true, and "0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". Clearer? > --gejyspa > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> Doesn't mean it makes sense to me. >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek wrote: >> >>> He's speaking thruth tables. >>> >>> On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> > I have no idea what that means. >>> > >>> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford < >>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is <1110>. >>> It's >>> > > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by the >>> > > elimination of the <11> line in context. >>> > >>> > > Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context. >>> > >>> > > stevo >>> > >>> > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < < >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> >>> > > eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means .a >>> or >>> > >> .onai., so it doesn't count. >>> > >>> > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford << >>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> >>> > >> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note >>> that >>> > >>> "or" is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPad >>> > >>> > >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>> > >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is >>> > >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest >>> possible way to >>> > >>> say .a >>> > >>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < < >>> lytl...@gmail.com> >>> > >>> lytl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>> Oh. Of course. >>> > >>> > >>>> stevo >>> > >>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford << >>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> >>> > >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> andor, i.e. or >>> > >>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ >>> > >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < >>> > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com> >>> > >>>>> *To:* >>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com >>> > >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM >>> > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of >>> > >>>>> Arabic" >>> > >>> > >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or >>> about'. >>> > >>>>> Googling didn't help. >>> > >>> > >>>>> stevo >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < < >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> >>> > >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I can >>> never >>> > >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on his >>> Arabic >>> > >>>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. >>> > >>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi << >>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> >>> > >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in >>> Arabic a >>> > >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with >>> adjectives, >>> > >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the >>> meanings of >>> > >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and grammar >>> he used... >>> > >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I added >>> some bits >>> > >>>>> of my own after translation... >>> > >>> > >>>>> MN >>> > >>>>> -- >>> > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>> > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to < >>> lojban@googlegroups.com> >>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> > >>>>> < >>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> > >>>>> < >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>> > >>> > >>>>> -- >>> > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > >>> > >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>> zo'o >>> > >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --e0cb4efe2ea00b9e9704bb629873 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Not just clearer, but excellently done.=A0

stevo

=
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Turnian= sky <mturnian= sky@gmail.com> wrote:
=A0 What he is saying is a = relationship let's call it "%" between two statements, A and = B, can be represented in the following way:
A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 B =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A%B
True =A0 =A0 True =A0=A0
True =A0 =A0 =A0False
False =A0 =A0True
False =A0 =A0Fa= lse

=A0 =A0Now, how do we fill in that last column= ? =A0Well, in the case of inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. = =A0In the case of Exclusive Or, it's False, True, True, False. =A0

=A0 Now, since the first two columns are always in a st= andard order, we don't really need to talk about them. =A0We can just s= ay that "A inclusive or B" is "True, True, True, False"= and A xor B is " False, True, True, False.=A0". =A0And to be really compact, we can sub= stitute T or F for True and False, making them "TTTF" and "F= TTF" respectively. =A0Or we can use "1" for true, and "= 0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". =A0Clear= er?
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones <= eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Doesn't mean it makes sense to me.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
He's speaking thruth tables.

On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what that means.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com= >wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be= ) is <1110>. =A0It's
> > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatical= ly by the
> > elimination of the <11> line in context.
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context.
>
> > stevo
>
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < = <eyeo...@gmail.co= m>
> > eyeo...@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whet= her it means .a or
> >> .onai., so it doesn't count.
>
> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford = <<kali9pu..= .@yahoo.com>
> >> kal= i9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, = I note that
> >>> "or" is shorter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
>
> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < &l= t;eyeo...@gmail.com<= /a>>
> >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because Eng= lish is
> >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just t= he shortest possible way to
> >>> say .a
>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddic= t < <lytl...@g= mail.com><= lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>> ly= tl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Oh. Of course.
>
> >>>> stevo
>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Cliffor= d <<kali9pu= ...@yahoo.com><kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> andor, i.e. or
>
> >>>>> =A0 ------------------------------
> >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < <lytl...@gmail.com> <lytl...@gmail.com> > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* <lojban@googlegroups.com> <lojban@googlegroups.com>=
> >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory,= "the fruit of
> >>>>> Arabic"
>
> >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context = it seems to mean 'in or about'.
> >>>>> Googling didn't help.
>
> >>>>> stevo
>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonat= han Jones < <e= yeo...@gmail.com><eyeo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/= o Lojban. I can never
> >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Tr= anslate used on his Arabic
> >>>>> would even give better English, and that's sa= ying something.
>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muham= mad an-Nuqrashi <<muhammad.n...@gmail.com><muhammad.n...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in = many places where in Arabic a
> >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This= goes on true with adjectives,
> >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basical= ly took the meanings of
> >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syn= tax and grammar he used...
> >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic pi= ece and I added some bits
> >>>>> of my own after translation...
>
> >>>>> MN
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscri= bed to the Google
> >>>>> Groups "lojban" group.
> >>>>> To post to this group, send email to <lojban@googlegro= ups.com><lojban@googlegroups.com>
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> >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3De= n.
>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i do= i.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
> >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D= )
>
> >>>>> =A0--
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