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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Ah, yes, this still doesn't explain what the "the elimination of the <11> line" bit meant. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Agreed. > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Not just clearer, but excellently done. >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What he is saying is a relationship let's call it "%" between two >>> statements, A and B, can be represented in the following way: >>> A B A%B >>> True True >>> True False >>> False True >>> False False >>> >>> Now, how do we fill in that last column? Well, in the case of >>> inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. In the case of Exclusive Or, >>> it's False, True, True, False. >>> >>> Now, since the first two columns are always in a standard order, we >>> don't really need to talk about them. We can just say that "A inclusive or >>> B" is "True, True, True, False" and A xor B is " False, True, True, >>> False. ". And to be really compact, we can substitute T or F for True and >>> False, making them "TTTF" and "FTTF" respectively. Or we can use "1" for >>> true, and "0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". Clearer? >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Doesn't mean it makes sense to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek wrote: >>>> >>>>> He's speaking thruth tables. >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>> > I have no idea what that means. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford < >>>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is >>>>> <1110>. It's >>>>> > > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by >>>>> the >>>>> > > elimination of the <11> line in context. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Sent from my iPad >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > "Or" is not often ambiguous in [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eyeonus[at]gmail.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL To: misformatted and free email service --bcaec55406f027267604bb639dc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ah, yes, this still doesn't explain what the "the elimination of the <11> line" bit meant. On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Agreed. > > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > >> Not just clearer, but excellently done. >> >> stevo >> >> >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Michael Turniansky < >> mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> What he is saying is a relationship let's call it "%" between two >>> statements, A and B, can be represented in the following way: >>> A B A%B >>> True True >>> True False >>> False True >>> False False >>> >>> Now, how do we fill in that last column? Well, in the case of >>> inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. In the case of Exclusive Or, >>> it's False, True, True, False. >>> >>> Now, since the first two columns are always in a standard order, we >>> don't really need to talk about them. We can just say that "A inclusive or >>> B" is "True, True, True, False" and A xor B is " False, True, True, >>> False. ". And to be really compact, we can substitute T or F for True and >>> False, making them "TTTF" and "FTTF" respectively. Or we can use "1" for >>> true, and "0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". Clearer? >>> --gejyspa >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Doesn't mean it makes sense to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek wrote: >>>> >>>>> He's speaking thruth tables. >>>>> >>>>> On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>>> > I have no idea what that means. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford < >>>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com>wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be) is >>>>> <1110>. It's >>>>> > > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatically by >>>>> the >>>>> > > elimination of the <11> line in context. >>>>> > >>>>> > > Sent from my iPad >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context. >>>>> > >>>>> > > stevo >>>>> > >>>>> > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < < >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> >>>>> > > eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whether it means >>>>> .a or >>>>> > >> .onai., so it doesn't count. >>>>> > >>>>> > >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford << >>>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> >>>>> > >> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, I note >>>>> that >>>>> > >>> "or" is shorter. XOR is, of course, xor. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < >>>> > >>>>> > >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because English is >>>>> > >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just the shortest >>>>> possible way to >>>>> > >>> say .a >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddict < < >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com> >>>>> > >>> lytl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Oh. Of course. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> stevo >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Clifford << >>>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> >>>>> > >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> andor, i.e. or >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> > >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < < >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> *To:* >>>>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com >>>>> > >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM >>>>> > >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory, "the fruit of >>>>> > >>>>> Arabic" >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context it seems to mean 'in or >>>>> about'. >>>>> > >>>>> Googling didn't help. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> stevo >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonathan Jones < < >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/o Lojban. I >>>>> can never >>>>> > >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Translate used on >>>>> his Arabic >>>>> > >>>>> would even give better English, and that's saying something. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muhammad an-Nuqrashi << >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> >>>>> > >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in many places where in >>>>> Arabic a >>>>> > >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This goes on true with >>>>> adjectives, >>>>> > >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basically took the >>>>> meanings of >>>>> > >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syntax and >>>>> grammar he used... >>>>> > >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic piece and I >>>>> added some bits >>>>> > >>>>> of my own after translation... >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> MN >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu >>>>> do zo'o >>>>> > >>>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- >>>>> > >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> > >>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>>>> < >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> -- >>>>> > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>> Google >>>>> > >>>> Groups "lojban" group. >>>>> > >>>> To post to this group, send email to < >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com> >>>>> > >>>> lojban@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > >>>> < >>>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > >>>>> > >>>> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > >>>> < >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en> >>>>> > >>>>http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> -- >>>>> > >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do >>>>> zo'o >>>>> > >>> (Come to the Dot Side! 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Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec55406f027267604bb639dc5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ah, yes, this still doesn't explain what the "the elimination of t= he <11> line" bit meant.

On Fr= i, Mar 16, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM, MorphemeAd= dict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Not just clearer, but excellently done.=A0

stevo


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:1= 8 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
=A0 What he is saying is a = relationship let's call it "%" between two statements, A and = B, can be represented in the following way:
A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 B =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A%B
True =A0 =A0 True =A0=A0
True =A0 =A0 =A0False
False =A0 =A0True
False =A0 =A0Fa= lse

=A0 =A0Now, how do we fill in that last column= ? =A0Well, in the case of inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. = =A0In the case of Exclusive Or, it's False, True, True, False. =A0

=A0 Now, since the first two columns are always in a st= andard order, we don't really need to talk about them. =A0We can just s= ay that "A inclusive or B" is "True, True, True, False"= and A xor B is " False, True, True, False.=A0". =A0And to be really compact, we can sub= stitute T or F for True and False, making them "TTTF" and "F= TTF" respectively. =A0Or we can use "1" for true, and "= 0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". =A0Clear= er?
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:
Doesn't mean it makes sense to me.


On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
He's speaking thruth tables.

On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what that means.
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com= >wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be= ) is <1110>. =A0It's
> > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatical= ly by the
> > elimination of the <11> line in context.
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context.
>
> > stevo
>
> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < = <eyeo...@gmail.co= m>
> > eyeo...@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whet= her it means .a or
> >> .onai., so it doesn't count.
>
> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford = <<kali9pu..= .@yahoo.com>
> >> kal= i9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, = I note that
> >>> "or" is shorter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
>
> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < &l= t;eyeo...@gmail.com<= /a>>
> >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because Eng= lish is
> >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just t= he shortest possible way to
> >>> say .a
>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddic= t < <lytl...@g= mail.com><= lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>> ly= tl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Oh. Of course.
>
> >>>> stevo
>
> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Cliffor= d <<kali9pu= ...@yahoo.com><kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> andor, i.e. or
>
> >>>>> =A0 ------------------------------
> >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < <lytl...@gmail.com> <lytl...@gmail.com> > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* <lojban@googlegroups.com> <lojban@googlegroups.com>=
> >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory,= "the fruit of
> >>>>> Arabic"
>
> >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context = it seems to mean 'in or about'.
> >>>>> Googling didn't help.
>
> >>>>> stevo
>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonat= han Jones < <e= yeo...@gmail.com><eyeo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/= o Lojban. I can never
> >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Tr= anslate used on his Arabic
> >>>>> would even give better English, and that's sa= ying something.
>
> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muham= mad an-Nuqrashi <<muhammad.n...@gmail.com><muhammad.n...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in = many places where in Arabic a
> >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This= goes on true with adjectives,
> >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basical= ly took the meanings of
> >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syn= tax and grammar he used...
> >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic pi= ece and I added some bits
> >>>>> of my own after translation...
>
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