=A0 Okay, what he meant here was the line in the table whe= re A is true and B is true (11), but switching the context from columns to = lines). =A0He's saying that in English you can tell from context whethe= r or not "or" is meant to include "and" or not (althoug= h I would argue that it's not _always_ decidable from context) ("n= iff" meaning the "not (opposite of) if and only if", which i= s the equivalent of xor.) =A0If you say "We can go to the movies or th= e zoo tomorrow", we can assume not both. =A0But if you say "would= you like carrots or peas with that?" it's not so clear if "b= oth" is an option or not.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa, off for shabbat... bye= all

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 6= :20 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, yes, this still doesn't explain what= the "the elimination of the <11> line" bit meant.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 a= t 4:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

Agreed.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:06 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytles= w@gmail.com> wrote:

Not just clearer, but excellently done.=A0

stevo

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:1= 8 PM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:<= br>
=A0 What he is saying is a = relationship let's call it "%" between two statements, A and = B, can be represented in the following way:
A =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 B =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0A%B
True =A0 =A0 True =A0=A0
True =A0 =A0 =A0False
False =A0 =A0True
False =A0 =A0Fa= lse

=A0 =A0Now, how do we fill in that last column= ? =A0Well, in the case of inclusive or, it's True, True, True, False. = =A0In the case of Exclusive Or, it's False, True, True, False. =A0

=A0 Now, since the first two columns are always in a st= andard order, we don't really need to talk about them. =A0We can just s= ay that "A inclusive or B" is "True, True, True, False"= and A xor B is " False, True, True, False.=A0". =A0And to be really compact, we can sub= stitute T or F for True and False, making them "TTTF" and "F= TTF" respectively. =A0Or we can use "1" for true, and "= 0" for false, yielding "1110" and "0110". =A0Clear= er?

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail= .com> wrote:

Doesn't mean it makes sense to me.

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 1:03 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:

He's speaking thruth tables.

On 16 Mar, 19:34, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have no idea what that means.
>

> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:07 AM, John E. Clifford <kali9pu...@yahoo.com= >wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "or" in English (and logic, where we are supposed to be= ) is <1110>. =A0It's
> > apparent use for niff/xor, <0110> is determined pragmatical= ly by the
> > elimination of the <11> line in context.
>
> > Sent from my iPad
>

> > On Mar 16, 2012, at 7:41 AM, MorphemeAddict <lytl...@gmail.com> = wrote:
>
> > "Or" is not often ambiguous in context.
>
> > stevo
>

> > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Jonathan Jones < = <eyeo...@gmail.co= m>
> > eyeo...@gm= ail.com> wrote:
>
> >> "or" in English (not logic) is ambiguous as to whet= her it means .a or
> >> .onai., so it doesn't count.
>

> >> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 8:12 PM, John E. Clifford = <<kali9pu..= .@yahoo.com>
> >> kal= i9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Speaking as a logician and thus a sort of mathematician, = I note that
> >>> "or" is shorter. =A0XOR is, of course, xor.
>
> >>> Sent from my iPad
>

> >>> On Mar 15, 2012, at 7:04 PM, Jonathan Jones < &l= t;eyeo...@gmail.com<= /a>>

> >>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I like to distinguish between xor and and/or, because Eng= lish is
> >>> ambiguous as to which is meant. "a/o" is just t= he shortest possible way to
> >>> say .a
>

> >>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, MorphemeAddic= t < <lytl...@g= mail.com><= lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>> ly= tl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Oh. Of course.
>
> >>>> stevo
>

> >>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:05 PM, John E Cliffor= d <<kali9pu= ...@yahoo.com><kali9pu...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> kali9pu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> andor, i.e. or
>
> >>>>> =A0 ------------------------------
> >>>>> *From:* MorphemeAddict < <lytl...@gmail.com> <lytl...@gmail.com> > >>>>> lytl...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> *To:* <lojban@googlegroups.com> <lojban@googlegroups.com>=
> >>>>> lojban@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:21 PM
> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Rhetoric and Oratory,= "the fruit of

> >>>>> Arabic"
>
> >>>>> What does "a/o" mean? From the context = it seems to mean 'in or about'.
> >>>>> Googling didn't help.
>
> >>>>> stevo
>

> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Jonat= han Jones < <e= yeo...@gmail.com><eyeo...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I really wish buroq would just stick to Arabic a/= o Lojban. I can never
> >>>>> understand his English. I'm betting Google Tr= anslate used on his Arabic
> >>>>> would even give better English, and that's sa= ying something.
>

> >>>>> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Muham= mad an-Nuqrashi <<muhammad.n...@gmail.com><muhammad.n...@gmail.com>
> >>>>> muhammad.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Buroq usually omitted the 'be' copula in = many places where in Arabic a
> >>>>> 'be' verb/copula isn't needed... This= goes on true with adjectives,
> >>>>> placement and presence of the/a, etc... I basical= ly took the meanings of
> >>>>> his words and put them in Arabic ignoring the syn= tax and grammar he used...
> >>>>> I ended up with a pretty understandable Arabic pi= ece and I added some bits
> >>>>> of my own after translation...
>
> >>>>> MN
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