Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:41677) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8uFA-0007rs-34; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:38 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf3982092eek.16 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=2YJQRYgHPybPWxluxkAKXB5gsPmPFr2sMX2xkLhUkcA=; b=SxdPu3R6I5ViLdlpRIHYtKK1BmC9QCEmYmMBHYGvFL8O1byh4q9mzGLJaKkAGYG+Av lKCXUk+FM2PhVhiyaNWkqrW7H9OnNNwLbi1SMxouTrucyNAnN3OuCrqlESPi67YtzD5C CDkNhjEF79KMCgb0ji0uG1gw6B5B7G1gmUpcQ= Received: by 10.216.139.97 with SMTP id b75mr267635wej.2.1331993056265; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.180.78.200 with SMTP id d8ls2687364wix.2.gmail; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr328855wix.0.1331993054589; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr328854wix.0.1331993054581; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f181.google.com (mail-we0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ek10si2702415wid.0.2012.03.17.07.04.14 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by mail-we0-f181.google.com with SMTP id m13so5341146wer.26 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.95.34 with SMTP id dh2mr6468855wib.15.1331993054504; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.212 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:04:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 15:04:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Equivocal tanru From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.6 X-Spam_score_int: -5 X-Spam_bar: / I asked some question which was not understood, so I ask it anew : a tanru X Y is some Y that has X-ness. it is not "X and Y" (unless we play with the predicativity of X and Y), rather it is one Y, but with X semantic coloration. If I want to speak about a X Y Z, that is, either a Z which is somewhat like a X Y (in the tanru sense above), or a Y Z that is like a X, --- but keeping myself deliberately equivocal, how do I proceed ? The way Lojban does seems to compel me to disambiguate, but what if I WANT TO REMAIN AMBIGUOUS ? How do I say "little girls' school" in lojban WHEN I WANT TO REMAIN AMBIGUOUS ? -- Please consider not this as a mere amusement of myself... If we want to translate old books of yore in Lojban, we'll have to remain equivocal with some "X's Y's Z" phrases, BECAUSE the books in which they are written are equivocal themselves (and we ought not to desambiguate things that are ambiguous). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.