Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:54885) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8upj-0008G8-QS; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:19 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf4132600wer.16 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=37XZq6ihn9RBneFtam0FhkY9qTKPA32xJTAR4cDDFlE=; b=p5UuInMUZzYYBK/vvLZo5/BrrXnP++kkZoLNiTOhMYHSDFWPJSvIcj4XXtdJvlnOiw /cQ/P1zzRu9rzjVYwb4+lx/Htc0C1fQnfWYMgl9549NlQgzVEjrQXvGdJn6UMGep/K7/ qxzqPLj674zorK0/CvBW9Z9ZFnRgq8XoQ+e4o= Received: by 10.204.155.79 with SMTP id r15mr440570bkw.21.1331995323185; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.45.87 with SMTP id d23ls6573867bkf.2.gmail; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr578134bkw.7.1331995321146; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.156.210 with SMTP id y18mr578133bkw.7.1331995321131; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com [209.85.215.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si10410570bkb.3.2012.03.17.07.42.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.50; Received: by mail-lpp01m010-f50.google.com with SMTP id m13so4108962lah.9 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.42.35 with SMTP id k3mr2514536lbl.98.1331995320927; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.38.33 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 07:42:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 11:42:00 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Translating preposition From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Escape Landsome wrote: > coi rodo > > The way I see Lojban is maybe well told as "the language WITHOUT > PREPOSITIONS"... But what are tags, if not prepositions? > Suppose I want to explain the meaning of the word "FOR", or of the > word "TO", or of the word "AT" to a lojban speaking person > > How do I proceed ? If you want to explain the meaning, first you need to become fluent in Lojban. Then you explain it in much the same way you would in English or in any other language you are fluent in. If what you want is a direct translation, then there isn't a one-to-one correspondence. It depends on the context. "AT" is usually "bu'u" or "ca": "at church" = "bu'u lo malsi", "at night" = "ca lo nicte". "FOR" can be "seva'u": "I bought it for you" = "mi pu te vecnu se va'u do", but there are other uses of "FOR". "TO" is very often incorporated into the place structure of the selbri, so it usually doesn't need a tag, but sometimes it can be for example "seka'a": "I walked to school" = "mi pu cadzu seka'a lo ckule". mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.