Received: from mail-we0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]:57620) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S8vd7-00008f-Vr; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:23 -0700 Received: by wera1 with SMTP id a1sf4153942wer.16 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=T/sqm9kDjV+vbCfp7Kh8Qd/mWB2oaZKjdVnC+U2UOT0=; b=StC5qaHDf2ff0Ta/MhBAFczUbOwfd2p3x8HncKiPZXBalF2inQmoH1lgZJFmaN+AGC u3mdr8wxoPfzGJjl2beibsBJZm2fJAslGbrTT6c184TNSvaf4pww9LGJpVX8ovmNV36A Sf3wHz2MJwezunEZpfPEEWc49a14C6Ssa7xFQ= Received: by 10.216.132.211 with SMTP id o61mr312788wei.59.1331998386076; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.190.11 with SMTP id d11ls9190773wen.6.gmail; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.75.179 with SMTP id d19mr522866wiw.2.1331998384642; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.75.179 with SMTP id d19mr522865wiw.2.1331998384634; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o8si1642322wic.0.2012.03.17.08.33.04 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.172; Received: by wibhj6 with SMTP id hj6so1645979wib.13 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.180.95.34 with SMTP id dh2mr6895358wib.15.1331998384554; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.144.212 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 16:33:04 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] How to translate "Allons !" (from some literary work) From: Escape Landsome To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: escaaape@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of escaaape@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=escaaape@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / coi rodo If I get it right, "Go !" and "Leave !" would be "ko klama .i" and "ko cliva .i" But what would be "Allons !" ? First, "Allons !" means "let's come" and also "let's go" But secondly, "Allons !" is also said by ME when I want to encourage myself to go (or to leave) (as if it was "let ME go", or "may I go") How to say "let ME go" in the case the subject of the imperative is MYSELF ? And how to say it in the case it can be either I or WE, --- and the speaker intend to remain ambiguous ?? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.