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On Sat, Mar 17, 201= 2 at 11:59 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, you can't be a= mbiguous in one sense (the one I take you to mean), because Lojban has defa= ult grouping to the right, so XYZ is automatically X(YZ), so If you want to= say something that might be either "a pretty school for girls" a= nd "a school for pretty girls", you can't, officially. You ha= ve, unofficially, two outs.=A0 1) The nature of the bond between modifier a= nd modified=A0 is unspecified, so it can almost as easily be that X charact= erizes all the Y in Z as X characterizes Z (insofar as) containing Y.=A0 2)= People are sloppy, even in logic, so XYZ may be understood, despite what i= s said, as (XY)Z, based on context or inflection or whatever.=A0 So the unm= arked form is at least pragmatically ambiguous (standard logic game: until = we have a thoroughly developed pragmatics, we can push all our problem case off on it, cf. God).

From: Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2= 012 9:04 AM
Subject: [lo= jban] Equivocal tanru

I asked some question which was not understood, so I ask it anew :

a= tanru X Y is some Y that has X-ness.=A0 it is not "X and Y" (un= less
we play with the predicativity of X and Y), rather it is one Y, but=
with X semantic coloration.

If I want to speak about a X Y Z, that i= s, either a Z which is
somewhat like a X Y (in the tanru sense above), o= r a Y Z that is like
a X, --- but keeping myself deliberately equivocal,= how do I proceed ?

The way Lojban does seems to compel me to disambiguate, but what if IWANT TO REMAIN AMBIGUOUS ?

How do I say "little girls' sc= hool" in lojban WHEN I WANT TO REMAIN AMBIGUOUS ?

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Please consider not this as a mere amusement of myself...=A0 If we want
= to translate old books of yore in Lojban, we'll have to remain
equiv= ocal with some "X's Y's Z" phrases, BECAUSE the books in = which
they are written are equivocal themselves=A0 (and we ought not to
desambiguate things that are ambiguous).

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