Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:64785) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1S9h0Z-0000fm-S0; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:44 -0700 Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9sf5244545bkc.16 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Vw2JIx2DJCsgY76p4wzJPr/05clJvYv+Wxb+CCX3wts=; b=P8cs1blxEmAnOdmNWZkUEkITuotJNcVVijxZ3UeV8654vaEw9vSUV+FigOhUzGwISV BeBFbmCPPVEBpWYoh5xRZAMVp+60F7cLcOIHsBisQnSKwizc6+uGh9TDGDT1y4ZJbJOt DZCa2BFhhTSLbz0UB3g2HjDh7PiSDronbZvEQ= Received: by 10.204.129.219 with SMTP id p27mr886195bks.16.1332180507181; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.181.202 with SMTP id bz10ls8661936bkb.0.gmail; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1218930bkc.5.1332180505289; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.6 with SMTP id gi6mr1218928bkc.5.1332180505263; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f170.google.com (mail-lb0-f170.google.com [209.85.217.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o5si18715716bkz.0.2012.03.19.11.08.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.170; Received: by lbbgg13 with SMTP id gg13so3753085lbb.29 for ; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.24.196 with SMTP id w4mr4989860lbf.62.1332180504709; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.36.1 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Mar 2012 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1332176611.76183.YahooMailNeo@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <6eda65e1-8635-4aae-ae3c-3ae17d3f1310@g16g2000yqe.googlegroups.com> <20120319130928.GC3009@samsa> <1332176611.76183.YahooMailNeo@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 14:08:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Specific terminology - the case of philosophy terminology To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e0cb4efe2f96c2895804bb9c71ac X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --e0cb4efe2f96c2895804bb9c71ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Good point. My main point is to start with easy steps before trying to run a marathon. Lojban would still be useful if it can adequately render popular material, even if it can't be used for the most abstract kinds of writing. That at least would also be a good experiment, to find out that sort of thing. stevo On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:03 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > A (philosophical) argument can be made that the inability of Lojban to > translate philosophy is a positive sign that it is a truly logical > language, well suited for the real world. But, since it is possible to say > nonsense in Lojban, I suspect that philosophy will not be a problem (the > hardship of vocabulary creation aside -- and maybe the necessity of > figuring out what these guys are really saying, if anything). > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Escape Landsome > *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com > *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2012 11:46 AM > *Subject:* Re: [lojban] Re: Specific terminology - the case of philosophy > terminology > > Most probably a fiction/novel will have more people interested in, but > translating philosophy (as well as poetry) is a kind of corner stone : > if this IS POSSIBLE for Lojban, then anything will be possible. > > On the contrary, if Lojban does allow us to translate recipies, and > novels or fictions, but *neither* philosophy *nor* poetry, then... > "there is something rotten in the state of Denmark" > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+ > unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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My main point is to start with easy steps= before trying to run a marathon. Lojban would still be useful if it can ad= equately render popular material, even if it can't be used for the most= abstract kinds of writing. That at least would also be a good experiment, = to find out that sort of thing.=A0

stevo

On Mon, Mar 19,= 2012 at 1:03 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
A (philosophical) argument can be made that the inabili= ty of Lojban to translate philosophy is a positive sign that it is a truly = logical language, well suited for the real world.=A0 But, since it is possi= ble to say nonsense in Lojban, I suspect that philosophy will not be a prob= lem (the hardship of vocabulary creation aside -- and maybe the necessity o= f figuring out what these guys are really saying, if anything).

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