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 Content preview:  HOW TO MAKE A MAJOR DRAWBACK APPEAR as if it was a good point
    !!! > A (philosophical) argument can be made that the inability of Lojban
    to > translate philosophy is a positive sign that it is a truly logical language,
    > well suited for the real world. But, since it is possible to say nonsense
    > in Lojban, I suspect that philosophy will not be a problem (the hardship
    of > vocabulary creation aside -- and maybe the necessity of figuring out
    what > these guys are really saying, if anything). [...] 
 
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HOW TO MAKE A MAJOR DRAWBACK APPEAR as if it was a good point !!!

> A (philosophical) argument can be made that the inability of Lojban to
> translate philosophy is a positive sign that it is a truly logical langua=
ge,
> well suited for the real world.=A0 But, since it is possible to say nonse=
nse
> in Lojban, I suspect that philosophy will not be a problem (the hardship =
of
> vocabulary creation aside -- and maybe the necessity of figuring out what
> these guys are really saying, if anything).

This proves too much.  Are you telling us Lojban couldn't be used to
write love letters as well ?

Anyway, you make a drawback (Lojban cannot be used to translate this
kind of thing) appear as if it were an advantage, this is rather
funny.    At least the guys who designed Sanskrit did not have the
same prohibitions : not only they somewhat-created a new "logical"
language, but they thought its primary use was to speak about
IMPORTANT things, that is, litterature, philosophy, poetry, science,
this kind of things.

I agree we should begin by translating tiny piece of texts, that are
not too complex, to begin with.   But we should also pursue high
goals, otherwise you will only get mediocre results.

And, also, it's a bit strange that a "logical" language should render
us the service of "forbidding" some kinds of expression.   Rendering
some kinds of expression impossible is NOT the work of Logic, this is
Ideology' 's work.   You are not an ideologist, I hope...   In "1984",
the NEWSPEAK language is designed so as to render impossible such
notions as democracy or religion.   Is it what you would call a
logical language, with an inability to translate bad things ?

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