=A0 If you are talking specifically about the domain of sc= rews, the cross design is used because it makes sure that the driver fits c= entered in the slot, constrained in two dimensions, unlike the single line = slot.

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --gejyspa

On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 1:20 PM, John E. Clifford <= ;kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

How universal is the notion of a cross for this design? =A0Or is it peculia= r to Western, Christian, usage? Of course, there were crosses beforeChristi= nity and called crosses ( though the Greeks called execution instrument a p= ost), but is something like that the stock name form two intersecting more = less a right angles?

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On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:15 AM, Kevin Reid <kpreid@switchb.org> wrote:

> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:42, Escape Landsome wrote:
>
>>> I would say that {kucylupcartci} is a lujvo that I, knowing th= at there
>>> is an important distinction between phillips and flathead
>>> screwdrivers, might interpret correctly. If I wanted to say it= , I'd
>>> probably go with a tanru: {kruca lupcartci} or {me la .filips.=
>>> lupcartci}
>>
>> But "Philips" screwdriver is an english-speaking way to = call this kind of tool.
>>
>> In France, it is "cruciforme" screwdriver, that is : &qu= ot;in the shape of a cross".
>>
>> Thus, the way we lojbanize it, it is not culturally neutral *at al= l*
>
> "Phillips" is not simply a synonym for "cross-shaped&qu= ot;. There are several different cross-shaped screw drives, some of which s= uperficially resemble each other but may be damaged if confused:
>
> =A0http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_dri= ves#Cruciform_types
>
> More broadly, specific screw drive designs are inherently (technical-)= culture-specific items.
>
> I believe the appropriate Lojbanization is to use a fu'ivla for th= e Phillips type in particular, and have words which are specifically vague = for cross-shaped screw drives in general.
>
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