Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:54025) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SAZ2k-00009J-24; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:34 -0700 Received: by yenm3 with SMTP id m3sf2209298yen.16 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=8qp43JLE0zsk2o1YzxPJ3NHLjFHys812Jik6MlislUE=; b=iW8JAqxNWZxXYAs9feplUJ71XiFpcGXMMwpwdIjwWyXBgj8IVdnj+E2ykJoFbRlbiP l0rl4bUcWB+/YUWNHUVBEnNEyaVAjUZplxptA236mPpwQljP9VCfB50uM5iBPaf/YGl6 sbefKGr+KRdD5Yj6t+iSHPn/oZaaf4jI+W40k= Received: by 10.236.190.198 with SMTP id e46mr1467872yhn.4.1332388217184; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.91.5 with SMTP id g5ls3144079yhf.7.gmail; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.165.99 with SMTP id d63mr8776389yhl.7.1332388216530; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.165.99 with SMTP id d63mr8776388yhl.7.1332388216520; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id t62si2291326yhj.2.2012.03.21.20.50.15; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 20:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14F701A2A7 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Translating preposition Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 23:50:09 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201203212350.09722.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 17:24:20 Sid wrote: > And you can use the Lojban word for "preposition". English doesn't > have many things like ergativity and postpositions, but it has the > words to talk about them. The Lojban for "preposition" (actually "adposition", as it doesn't specify,= =20 but all Lojban adpositions are prepositions) is "sumtcita". There are two= =20 kinds in Lojban: proper prepositions (selma'o BAI), which can be converted= =20 with SE, and tense markers (various selma'o), which can't. Then there are s= ome=20 words that look like prepositions, but are different: *FA puts a sumti in a numbered case slot. It is normally omitted if the sum= ti=20 would be in that slot without it. A Lojban grammarian describing English wo= uld=20 put "to", when used to mark the indirect object, in this class. *"pe" looks like a possessive preposition, but it's in the same selma'o as= =20 "goi", which is not a preposition. *"be" looks like a preposition in phrases like "lo mamta be le verba", but = it=20 does something completely different. Maybe FA is preposition; what do you think? Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.