Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:39074)
	by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128)
	(Exim 4.76)
	(envelope-from <lojban+bncCJbznvHdFRDro-f7BBoETDs_bg@googlegroups.com>)
	id 1SEk0K-0002f0-Hq; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:21:18 -0700
Received: by bkcjg9 with SMTP id jg9sf2042284bkc.16
        for <multiple recipients>; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:21:08 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
        d=googlegroups.com; s=beta;
        h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from
         :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender
         :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list
         :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender
         :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type;
        bh=ea+X2prYFzTiZv4Pp88GnrAZ4j0zl1bxxXZvSLobSkQ=;
        b=EAInKLap5P6UB2bxbect+JMqCHhNqJidbYAQSOHoFHTudPYaAGkv0gxOiRHTCaZtA5
         EUK8Gw5CIKzUJr7HdZFXdGuvaNqp5Ay+U0z+qxH8LS931vRZ8Q6ZHc253lgyxBWcDETO
         VSZW9Ocwcr8otAnFRW9FdxbBxLMG2BUQm2Zk4=
Received: by 10.204.154.67 with SMTP id n3mr408775bkw.2.1333383660007;
        Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:21:00 -0700 (PDT)
X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com
Received: by 10.205.121.2 with SMTP id ga2ls5413558bkc.1.gmail; Mon, 02 Apr
 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr725636bks.0.1333383658778;
        Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.204.131.75 with SMTP id w11mr725635bks.0.1333383658750;
        Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f48.google.com [209.85.215.48])
        by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8si23396950bka.1.2012.04.02.09.20.58
        (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER);
        Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.215.48;
Received: by lagu2 with SMTP id u2so3152718lag.7
        for <lojban@googlegroups.com>; Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.152.108.84 with SMTP id hi20mr10095957lab.22.1333383658167;
 Mon, 02 Apr 2012 09:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.112.106.39 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Apr 2012 09:20:37 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <16468031.1003.1333378531585.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbjk8>
References: <16468031.1003.1333378531585.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@pbjk8>
From: MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 12:20:37 -0400
Message-ID: <CAHiXx=NRNoSbdGm0KTwcSajoCgEj8M46t2OMsjEBfZk437chYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban] No language has separate words for odors. Let's create them.
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com
X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com:
 domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.215.48 as permitted sender)
 smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com
Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Precedence: list
Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com
List-ID: <lojban.googlegroups.com>
X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417
List-Post: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/post?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com>
List-Help: <http://groups.google.com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+help@googlegroups.com>
List-Archive: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en_US>
Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com
List-Subscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:lojban+subscribe@googlegroups.com>
List-Unsubscribe: <http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/subscribe?hl=en_US>, <mailto:googlegroups-manage+1004133512417+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54eebf84b5d2404bcb493d9
X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/)
X-Spam_score: -0.7
X-Spam_score_int: -6
X-Spam_bar: /

--bcaec54eebf84b5d2404bcb493d9
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

So what are your suggestions for the proposed new words? Are they all
lujvo?

stevo

On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, the title is wrong. Few languages have.
>
> The point is that in most languages in order to describe smell we have to
> use words used for other senses.
> pe'i this is not fair.
> .e'u we create new words for smells in Lojban.
> .e'u they don't borrow roots from other arbitrary words like English
> classification does.
>
> This is what Wikipedia says about odors.
>
> It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (with examples)
>
>    1. Musky <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk>- perfumes/aftershave
>    2. Putrid <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrid>- rotten eggs
>    3. Pungent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pungent>- vinegar
>    4. Camphoraceous <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphoraceous>-
>    mothballs
>    5. Ethereal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil>- dry cleaning
>    fluid
>    6. Floral <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floral>- roses
>    7. Pepperminty <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint>- mint gum
>
>  --
> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
> "lojban" group.
> To view this discussion on the web visit
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/vmKNiZo3UQAJ.
> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
> For more options, visit this group at
> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.
>

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.
For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.


--bcaec54eebf84b5d2404bcb493d9
Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So what are your suggestions for the proposed new words? Are they all lujvo=
?=A0<div><br></div><div>stevo<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr=
 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gleki.i=
s.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Well, the title is wrong. Few languages have=
.<div><br></div><div>The point is that in most languages in order to descri=
be smell we have to use words used for other senses.</div>

<div>pe&#39;i this is not fair.</div><div>.e&#39;u we create new words for =
smells in Lojban.=A0</div><div>.e&#39;u they don&#39;t borrow roots from ot=
her arbitrary words like English classification does.</div><div><br></div>

<div>This is what Wikipedia says about odors.</div><div><br></div><div><p s=
tyle=3D"line-height:19px;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-family:sans-serif;margin-=
top:0.4em">It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (with e=
xamples)</p>

<ol style=3D"line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;list-style:none;margin=
:0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em;padding:0px"><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href=
=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk" title=3D"Musk" style=3D"color:rgb(11=
,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Musky</a>- perfumes/afters=
have</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P=
utrid" title=3D"Putrid" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none"=
 target=3D"_blank">Putrid</a>- rotten eggs</li><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0=
.1em"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pungent" title=3D"Pungent" st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Pungent=
</a>- vinegar</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C=
amphoraceous" title=3D"Camphoraceous" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);backgrou=
nd-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Camphoraceous</a>- mothballs</li><li style=
=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em">

<a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil" title=3D"Essential o=
il" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">E=
thereal</a>- dry cleaning fluid</li><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a hr=
ef=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floral" title=3D"Floral" style=3D"color:=
rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Floral</a>- roses</l=
i>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P=
eppermint" title=3D"Peppermint" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-ima=
ge:none" target=3D"_blank">Pepperminty</a>- mint gum</li></ol></div><span c=
lass=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

-- <br>
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups &=
quot;lojban&quot; group.<br>
To view this discussion on the web visit <a href=3D"https://groups.google.c=
om/d/msg/lojban/-/vmKNiZo3UQAJ" target=3D"_blank">https://groups.google.com=
/d/msg/lojban/-/vmKNiZo3UQAJ</a>.<br>=20
To post to this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.=
com" target=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a>.<br>
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to <a href=3D"mailto:lojban%2Bun=
subscribe@googlegroups.com" target=3D"_blank">lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com</a>.<br>

For more options, visit this group at <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/g=
roup/lojban?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/lojba=
n?hl=3Den</a>.<br>


</font></span></blockquote></div><br></div>

<p></p>

-- <br />
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "=
lojban" group.<br />
To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com.<br />
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou=
ps.com.<br />

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban=
?hl=3Den.<br />



--bcaec54eebf84b5d2404bcb493d9--