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It seems to me that the first problem is to get a list of odors for which w=
e need names. As noted, English doesn't have such except contextual one (it=
 smells like...).=A0 Maybe the odor trades (perfumery and wine testing) can=
 lend a hand.=A0 Or other languages.



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So what are your suggestions for the proposed new words? Are they all lujvo=
?=A0

stevo


On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, the title is wrong. Few languages have.
>
>
>The point is that in most languages in order to describe smell we have to =
use words used for other senses.
>pe'i this is not fair.
>.e'u we create new words for smells in Lojban.=A0
>.e'u they don't borrow roots from other arbitrary words like English class=
ification does.
>
>
>This is what Wikipedia says about odors.
>
>
>It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (with examples)
>	1. Musky- perfumes/aftershave
>	2. Putrid- rotten eggs
>	3. Pungent- vinegar
>	4. Camphoraceous- mothballs
>	5. Ethereal- dry cleaning fluid
>	6. Floral- roses
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ti=
mes new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>It seems t=
o me that the first problem is to get a list of odors for which we need nam=
es. As noted, English doesn't have such except contextual one (it smells li=
ke...).&nbsp; Maybe the odor trades (perfumery and wine testing) can lend a=
 hand.&nbsp; Or other languages.<br></span></div><div><br></div>  <div styl=
e=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;=
"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font=
-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <font size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=
=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> MorphemeAddi=
ct &lt;lytlesw@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:<=
/span></b> lojban@googlegroups.com <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold=
;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 2, 2012 11:20 AM<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:
 bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] No language has separate words for=
 odors. Let's create them.<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div id=3D"yiv503487084">So what are your suggestions for the proposed new =
words? Are they all lujvo?&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>stevo<br><br><div class=
=3D"yiv503487084gmail_quote">On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, gleki <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com">gleki.is=
.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"yiv503487084gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Well, the title is wrong. Few l=
anguages have.<div><br></div><div>The point is that in most languages in or=
der to describe smell we have to use words used for other senses.</div>

<div>pe'i this is not fair.</div><div>.e'u we create new words for smells i=
n Lojban.&nbsp;</div><div>.e'u they don't borrow roots from other arbitrary=
 words like English classification does.</div><div><br></div>

<div>This is what Wikipedia says about odors.</div><div><br></div><div><div=
 style=3D"line-height:19px;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-family:sans-serif;margi=
n-top:0.4em;">It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (wit=
h examples)</div>

<ol style=3D"line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;list-style:none;margin=
:0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em;padding:0px;"><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;"><a re=
l=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk"=
 title=3D"Musk" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;">Musky<=
/a>- perfumes/aftershave</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrid" title=3D"Putrid" style=3D"color:=
rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;">Putrid</a>- rotten eggs</li><li style=
=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"htt=
p://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pungent" title=3D"Pungent" style=3D"color:rgb(11,=
0,128);background-image:none;">Pungent</a>- vinegar</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphoraceous" title=3D"Camphoraceous" s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;">Camphoraceous</a>- moth=
balls</li><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;">

<a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=
Essential_oil" title=3D"Essential oil" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);backgro=
und-image:none;">Ethereal</a>- dry cleaning fluid</li><li style=3D"margin-b=
ottom:0.1em;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://en.wikip=
edia.org/wiki/Floral" title=3D"Floral" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);backgro=
und-image:none;">Floral</a>- roses</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em;"><a rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_blank" hr=
ef=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint" title=3D"Peppermint" style=
=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none;">Pepperminty</a>- mint gum</=
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