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On Monday, April 2, 2012 8:43:34 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the first problem is to get a list of odors for which 
> we need names. As noted, English doesn't have such except contextual one 
> (it smells like...).  Maybe the odor trades (perfumery and wine testing) 
> can lend a hand.  Or other languages.
>
>
>
My strong suggestion that we only pay attention to chemistry to be as 
unbiased as possible.

>   ------------------------------
> *From:* MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
> *To:* lojban@googlegroups.com 
> *Sent:* Monday, April 2, 2012 11:20 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [lojban] No language has separate words for odors. Let's 
> create them.
>  
> So what are your suggestions for the proposed new words? Are they all 
> lujvo? 
>
> stevo
>
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10:55 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the title is wrong. Few languages have.
>
> The point is that in most languages in order to describe smell we have to 
> use words used for other senses.
> pe'i this is not fair.
> .e'u we create new words for smells in Lojban. 
> .e'u they don't borrow roots from other arbitrary words like English 
> classification does.
>
> This is what Wikipedia says about odors.
>
> It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (with examples)
>
>    1. Musky <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk>- perfumes/aftershave 
>    2. Putrid <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putrid>- rotten eggs
>    3. Pungent <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pungent>- vinegar 
>    4. Camphoraceous <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camphoraceous>- 
>    mothballs
>    5. Ethereal <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil>- dry cleaning 
>    fluid
>    6. Floral <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floral>- roses 
>    7. Pepperminty <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint>- mint gum
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<br><br>On Monday, April 2, 2012 8:43:34 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:<blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left:=
 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backgroun=
d-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12p=
t"><div><span>It seems to me that the first problem is to get a list of odo=
rs for which we need names. As noted, English doesn't have such except cont=
extual one (it smells like...).&nbsp; Maybe the odor trades (perfumery and =
wine testing) can lend a hand.&nbsp; Or other languages.<br></span></div><d=
iv><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>My=
 strong suggestion that we only pay attention to chemistry to be as unbiase=
d as possible.</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;ma=
rgin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div =
style=3D"color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:times new roman,new y=
ork,times,serif;font-size:12pt"><div></div>  <div style=3D"font-family:time=
s new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div style=3D"font-family=
:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12pt"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <f=
ont size=3D"2" face=3D"Arial"> <hr size=3D"1">  <b><span style=3D"font-weig=
ht:bold">From:</span></b> MorphemeAddict &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmai=
l.com" target=3D"_blank">lytlesw@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href=3D"mailto:lojban@googlegroups.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">lojban@googlegroups.com</a> <br> <b><span style=3D"font-we=
ight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 2, 2012 11:20 AM<br> <b><span sty=
le=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [lojban] No language has se=
parate words for odors. Let's create them.<br> </font> </div> <br>
<div>So what are your suggestions for the proposed new words? Are they all =
lujvo?&nbsp;<div><br></div><div>stevo<br><br><div>On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 10=
:55 AM, gleki <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:glek=
i.is.my.name@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">Well, the title is wrong. Few languages have.<div><br></div><div>T=
he point is that in most languages in order to describe smell we have to us=
e words used for other senses.</div>

<div>pe'i this is not fair.</div><div>.e'u we create new words for smells i=
n Lojban.&nbsp;</div><div>.e'u they don't borrow roots from other arbitrary=
 words like English classification does.</div><div><br></div>

<div>This is what Wikipedia says about odors.</div><div><br></div><div><div=
 style=3D"line-height:19px;margin-bottom:0.5em;font-family:sans-serif;margi=
n-top:0.4em">It has been proposed that there are seven primary odors: (with=
 examples)</div>

<ol style=3D"line-height:19px;font-family:sans-serif;list-style:none;margin=
:0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em;padding:0px"><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a rel=
=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musk" title=3D"Musk" sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Musky</a=
>- perfumes/aftershave</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Putrid" title=3D"Putrid" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);backg=
round-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Putrid</a>- rotten eggs</li><li style=
=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.or=
g/wiki/Pungent" title=3D"Pungent" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-i=
mage:none" target=3D"_blank">Pungent</a>- vinegar</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Camphoraceous" title=3D"Camphoraceous" style=3D"color:rgb(1=
1,0,128);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Camphoraceous</a>- mothba=
lls</li><li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em">

<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_oil" tit=
le=3D"Essential oil" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">Ethereal</a>- dry cleaning fluid</li><li style=3D"margin-bo=
ttom:0.1em"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floral=
" title=3D"Floral" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" targ=
et=3D"_blank">Floral</a>- roses</li>

<li style=3D"margin-bottom:0.1em"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Peppermint" title=3D"Peppermint" style=3D"color:rgb(11,0,12=
8);background-image:none" target=3D"_blank">Pepperminty</a>- mint gum</li><=
/ol></div><span><font color=3D"#888888">



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