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On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> The trouble with color-names, taste-names, smell-names, and such is
> that each gismu space that can be attributed to span them seems
> somewhat arbitrary.
>
> Even in the sense that human beings won't share the same space as
> other animals or artificial devices (robots, etc)
>
> This is indeed of problem of splitting one big semantic space into parts.
>
> This has even to do with categorization in general, on a cognitive level.
>
> Suppose sombedoy sees a red Ferrari car that rides fast
>
> He will say "the red Ferrari car rides fast"
>
> But what does he perceives ?
>
> Surely something like that :
>
> { object-perceived : item,
>  objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),
>  color-context : greenish-around,
>  object-speed : 200mph,
>  object-shape : car,
>  animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }
>
> Now : THIS is "red"
>
> { object-perceived : item,
>  objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),
>  color-context : greenish-around }
>
> THIS is "car"
>
> {  object-shape : car,
>  animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }
>
> THIS is "Ferrari"
>
> { objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),
>   object-shape : car }
>
> THIS is "rides"
>
> { object-speed : 200mph,
>  object-shape : car,
>  animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }
>
> THIS is "fast"
>
> { object-speed : 200mph }
>
> ---
>
> So the sentence is an "intrication" of what is perceived.   But how
> should the gismu space divided is still a little arbitrary.
>
> AT LEAST, we can see that the gismu tend to overlap each other ==> so
> it is not necessarily bad that there be some redundancy in the gismu
> space
>
> I'm not so sure. I think the perception itself would be closer to "red car
going fast", with cognition providing "Ferrari", if at all.

stevo

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 4:13 AM, Escape L=
andsome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">escaaap=
e@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

The trouble with color-names, taste-names, smell-names, and such is<br>
that each gismu space that can be attributed to span them seems<br>
somewhat arbitrary.<br>
<br>
Even in the sense that human beings won&#39;t share the same space as<br>
other animals or artificial devices (robots, etc)<br>
<br>
This is indeed of problem of splitting one big semantic space into parts.<b=
r>
<br>
This has even to do with categorization in general, on a cognitive level.<b=
r>
<br>
Suppose sombedoy sees a red Ferrari car that rides fast<br>
<br>
He will say &quot;the red Ferrari car rides fast&quot;<br>
<br>
But what does he perceives ?<br>
<br>
Surely something like that :<br>
<br>
{ object-perceived : item,<br>
=A0objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),<br>
=A0color-context : greenish-around,<br>
=A0object-speed : 200mph,<br>
=A0object-shape : car,<br>
=A0animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }<br>
<br>
Now : THIS is &quot;red&quot;<br>
<br>
{ object-perceived : item,<br>
=A0objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),<br>
=A0color-context : greenish-around }<br>
<br>
THIS is &quot;car&quot;<br>
<br>
{ =A0object-shape : car,<br>
=A0animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }<br>
<br>
THIS is &quot;Ferrari&quot;<br>
<br>
{ objet-color : RGB(100%, 5%, 5%),<br>
 =A0 object-shape : car }<br>
<br>
THIS is &quot;rides&quot;<br>
<br>
{ object-speed : 200mph,<br>
=A0object-shape : car,<br>
=A0animated : yes-but-artificial(driven) }<br>
<br>
THIS is &quot;fast&quot;<br>
<br>
{ object-speed : 200mph }<br>
<br>
---<br>
<br>
So the sentence is an &quot;intrication&quot; of what is perceived. =A0 But=
 how<br>
should the gismu space divided is still a little arbitrary.<br>
<br>
AT LEAST, we can see that the gismu tend to overlap each other =3D=3D&gt; s=
o<br>
it is not necessarily bad that there be some redundancy in the gismu<br>
space<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br></font></span></blockquo=
te><div>I&#39;m not so sure. I think the perception itself would be closer =
to &quot;red car going fast&quot;, with cognition providing &quot;Ferrari&q=
uot;, if at all.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>

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