Received: from mail-wi0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]:38007) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SFRhq-000584-4c; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:01:14 -0700 Received: by wibhq12 with SMTP id hq12sf315156wib.16 for ; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:00:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authenticated:x-provags-id:message-id :date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-y-gmx-trusted:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CSFMc0bOEVTsYMag0/vTqhXciOM2zYupAO0bT3Fy9Jw=; b=68olUT1ZLIDDyTivi+8vRWc6Y2vzunuLqFvrtsO6w7tsrQarOd0VZfIq3tFHgA8Dx3 y0XXvssLh6rekywb4PdXYm/iPDeBrJxXATj8R/ecKpN64+Nl5jpMPii/juo/gmorJpzq d1Q6E5YfcYuThSPNe65wkrfcCCmX8Dyjfft/o= Received: by 10.216.205.213 with SMTP id j63mr656831weo.0.1333551145554; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.199.225 with SMTP id x75ls523743wen.9.gmail; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr540503wix.0.1333551143819; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.180.79.231 with SMTP id m7mr540493wix.0.1333551143335; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net. [213.165.64.22]) by gmr-mx.google.com with SMTP id fm5si485834wib.2.2012.04.04.07.52.23; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 07:52:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) client-ip=213.165.64.22; Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 04 Apr 2012 14:52:22 -0000 Received: from p57A082E5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (EHLO [192.168.1.33]) [87.160.130.229] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 04 Apr 2012 16:52:22 +0200 X-Authenticated: #54293076 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18eC08KvQoeIyn5XQiJl4IZTp5gLy/mXVfSySCHm0 adbuwTByuziV94 Message-ID: <4F7C6026.4040705@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 16:52:22 +0200 From: selpa'i User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] LA SUMTI BRIVLA References: In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Original-Sender: seladwa@gmx.de X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of seladwa@gmx.de designates 213.165.64.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=seladwa@gmx.de Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / *{la mi .crib.} does not work. However, it's perfectly fine to say {la pe mi .crib.} which *is* grammatical, just as {la noi banli [ku'o] .crib.} is also grammatical. mu'o mi'e la selpa'i Am 04.04.2012 15:11, schrieb Michael Turniansky: > Just checking with people who understand the grammar to make sure > that the following is correct: > > You are allowed to interpose a sumti between the la and name for those > cases where the name is a brivla, such as "la mi cribe cu gerku" -> > "la cribe pe mi cu gerku" (My Bear is a dog), or "la ba'u lo ponse be > lo gerku kuku pinxe be lo djacu cu taske za'ure'u ku .oi" (The dog > owner's "Water-Drinker" is thirsty again *sigh* ) but not where the > name is a cmevla, *la mi crib. cu gerku (*My Shreeb is a dog) > > Would I have that right? (The permissibility surprised me. I can > readily see how the the latter can't be allowed, because it would > agglutinate into "la micrib. cu gerku", and how the first can't be > ambiguous, but I was surprised to see it was allowed anyhow, simply > because of symmetry reasons) > > --gejyspa > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. -- .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.