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  Hmmm... so it is, which then makes the IMpermissibility of "la mi crib
li'o" more inexplicable....

On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:

> *{la mi .crib.} does not work. However, it's perfectly fine to say {la pe
> mi .crib.} which *is* grammatical, just as {la noi banli [ku'o] .crib.} is
> also grammatical.
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> Am 04.04.2012 15:11, schrieb Michael Turniansky:
>
>>  Just checking with people who understand the grammar to make sure that
>> the following is correct:
>>
>> You are allowed to interpose a sumti between the la and name for those
>> cases where the name is a brivla, such as "la mi cribe cu gerku" -> "la
>> cribe pe mi cu gerku" (My Bear is a dog), or "la ba'u lo ponse be  lo gerku
>> kuku pinxe be lo djacu cu taske za'ure'u ku .oi" (The dog owner's
>>  "Water-Drinker" is thirsty again *sigh* )  but not where the name is a
>> cmevla, *la mi crib. cu gerku (*My Shreeb is a dog)
>>
>>  Would I have that right?  (The permissibility surprised me.  I can
>> readily see how the the latter can't be allowed, because it would
>> agglutinate into "la micrib. cu gerku", and how the first can't be
>> ambiguous, but I was surprised to see it was allowed anyhow, simply because
>> of symmetry reasons)
>>
>>                      --gejyspa
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<div dir=3D"ltr">=A0 Hmmm... so it is, which then makes the IMpermissibilit=
y of &quot;la mi crib li&#39;o&quot; more inexplicable....<br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 10:52 AM, selpa&#39;i <span dir=3D=
"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:seladwa@gmx.de">seladwa@gmx.de</a>&gt;</span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">*{la mi .crib.} does not work. However, it&#=
39;s perfectly fine to say {la pe mi .crib.} which *is* grammatical, just a=
s {la noi banli [ku&#39;o] .crib.} is also grammatical.<br>

<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la selpa&#39;i<br>
<br>
Am 04.04.2012 15:11, schrieb Michael Turniansky:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class=3D"h5">
 =A0Just checking with people who understand the grammar to make sure that =
the following is correct:<br>
<br>
You are allowed to interpose a sumti between the la and name for those case=
s where the name is a brivla, such as &quot;la mi cribe cu gerku&quot; -&gt=
; &quot;la cribe pe mi cu gerku&quot; (My Bear is a dog), or &quot;la ba&#3=
9;u lo ponse be =A0lo gerku kuku pinxe be lo djacu cu taske za&#39;ure&#39;=
u ku .oi&quot; (The dog owner&#39;s =A0&quot;Water-Drinker&quot; is thirsty=
 again *sigh* ) =A0but not where the name is a cmevla, *la mi crib. cu gerk=
u (*My Shreeb is a dog)<br>

<br>
 =A0Would I have that right? =A0(The permissibility surprised me. =A0I can =
readily see how the the latter can&#39;t be allowed, because it would agglu=
tinate into &quot;la micrib. cu gerku&quot;, and how the first can&#39;t be=
 ambiguous, but I was surprised to see it was allowed anyhow, simply becaus=
e of symmetry reasons)<br>

<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<br>
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