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On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, stevo wrote:
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>
> It may be that speakers of languages with a strong future time reference 
> (e.g., English, Italian, Russian) have better lives economically than 
> speakers of languages with weak future time reference (e.g., Chinese, 
> German). 
>
>
I think that's the opposite of what the study said. The study says that 
languages with weak future time reference have the better economic 
tendencies. 
 

> A language designed without a mandatory tense marker (in particular, for 
> the future tense), e.g., Lojban, might be better for its speakers than 
> having an obligatory future tense marker, e.g., Esperanto. 
>
>
^ And your conclusion appears to be based on the weak future time reference 
being better (which is what the study says). Basically the study proposes 
that when your language leads you to treat the present and the future the 
same way grammatically, you're more likely to care about the future (have 
an easier time saving money, studying for exams, not overeating, quitting 
smoking -- those are four examples the presenter mentions).

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On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, stevo wrote:<blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div><br></div><div>It may be that speakers of =
languages with a strong future time reference (e.g., English, Italian, Russ=
ian) have better lives economically than speakers of languages with weak fu=
ture time reference (e.g., Chinese, German).&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think that's the opposite=
 of what the study said. The study says that languages with weak future tim=
e reference have the better economic tendencies.&nbsp;<br></div><div>&nbsp;=
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8=
ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"><div></div><div>A langua=
ge designed without a mandatory tense marker (in particular, for the future=
 tense), e.g., Lojban, might be better for its speakers than having an obli=
gatory future tense marker, e.g., Esperanto.&nbsp;</div>

<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>^ And your conclusion appea=
rs to be based on the weak future time reference being better (which is wha=
t the study says). Basically the study proposes that when your language lea=
ds you to treat the present and the future the same way grammatically, you'=
re more likely to care about the future (have an easier time saving money, =
studying for exams, not overeating, quitting smoking -- those are four exam=
ples the presenter mentions).</div>

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