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On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, vruxir <kextrii@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, stevo wrote:
>>
>>
>> It may be that speakers of languages with a strong future time reference
>> (e.g., English, Italian, Russian) have better lives economically than
>> speakers of languages with weak future time reference (e.g., Chinese,
>> German).
>>
>>
Oops. My bad. You're right.

stevo

>
> I think that's the opposite of what the study said. The study says that
> languages with weak future time reference have the better economic
> tendencies.
>
>
>> A language designed without a mandatory tense marker (in particular, for
>> the future tense), e.g., Lojban, might be better for its speakers than
>> having an obligatory future tense marker, e.g., Esperanto.
>>
>>
> ^ And your conclusion appears to be based on the weak future time
> reference being better (which is what the study says). Basically the study
> proposes that when your language leads you to treat the present and the
> future the same way grammatically, you're more likely to care about the
> future (have an easier time saving money, studying for exams, not
> overeating, quitting smoking -- those are four examples the presenter
> mentions).
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 4:33 PM, vruxir <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kextrii@gmail.com">kextrii@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
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<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 3:55:12 PM UTC-4, stevo wrote=
:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;bord=
er-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><br></div><div>It may be that=
 speakers of languages with a strong future time reference (e.g., English, =
Italian, Russian) have better lives economically than speakers of languages=
 with weak future time reference (e.g., Chinese, German).=A0</div>



<div><br></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Oops. My=
 bad. You&#39;re right.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margi=
n-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div></div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div></div><div>I think that&#39;s the opposite of what th=
e study said. The study says that languages with weak future time reference=
 have the better economic tendencies.=A0<br>

</div><div class=3D"im"><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x"><div></div><div>A language designed without a mandatory tense marker (in=
 particular, for the future tense), e.g., Lojban, might be better for its s=
peakers than having an obligatory future tense marker, e.g., Esperanto.=A0<=
/div>



<div><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>^ And your conclusion=
 appears to be based on the weak future time reference being better (which =
is what the study says). Basically the study proposes that when your langua=
ge leads you to treat the present and the future the same way grammatically=
, you&#39;re more likely to care about the future (have an easier time savi=
ng money, studying for exams, not overeating, quitting smoking -- those are=
 four examples the presenter mentions).</div>

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