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On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com> wrote:

> coi rodo
>
> The semantic of & operator is that (x & y) means a y of which we add
> the x-ness.   That is, the tanru (x y) has (x & y) semantics.
>
> Examples :   a white house, a black bird, a great escape
>
> The semantic of * operator is that it transforms a notion y into
> another notion z, through the action of some word x that acts as an
> arbitrary marker.
>

Your examples are for metaphorical or mnemonic extensions of the literal
meanings. They aren't the result of a single operation.

stevo

>
> For instance in English (White * House) is the place where the
> President of USA works, whereas (white & house) is just one house that
> happens to be of white color.
>
> In a similar fashion (black * bird) is a blackbird, while (black &
> bird) is a black bird, that is, a bird which is black.
>
> This is not lojban, but perhaps should be :  in a compound word x-y-z
> where x is a color word, we don't know it is a (y-z) that is x, or a z
> that is (a y that is x).
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 7, 2012 at 1:49 AM, Escape L=
andsome <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:escaaape@gmail.com">escaaap=
e@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

coi rodo<br>
<br>
The semantic of &amp; operator is that (x &amp; y) means a y of which we ad=
d<br>
the x-ness. =A0 That is, the tanru (x y) has (x &amp; y) semantics.<br>
<br>
Examples : =A0 a white house, a black bird, a great escape<br>
<br>
The semantic of * operator is that it transforms a notion y into<br>
another notion z, through the action of some word x that acts as an<br>
arbitrary marker.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Your examples are for=
 metaphorical or mnemonic extensions of the literal meanings. They aren&#39=
;t the result of a single operation.=A0</div><div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</=
div>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
For instance in English (White * House) is the place where the<br>
President of USA works, whereas (white &amp; house) is just one house that<=
br>
happens to be of white color.<br>
<br>
In a similar fashion (black * bird) is a blackbird, while (black &amp;<br>
bird) is a black bird, that is, a bird which is black.<br>
<br>
This is not lojban, but perhaps should be : =A0in a compound word x-y-z<br>
where x is a color word, we don&#39;t know it is a (y-z) that is x, or a z<=
br>
that is (a y that is x).<br>
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