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From: "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" <lojbab@lojban.org>
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Subject: Re: [lojban] Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked
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 Content preview:  banseljaj wrote: > This is a question to all oldhands, senior
    lojbanists. > I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked
    off loglan. The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me
   materials for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his
    intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in Jun,
    and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language was still
    called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it as a negotiating
    tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a hybrid wordlist, and
    spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in Williamsburg VA in October 1987.
    There was a formal "announcement" of the language at Evecon 1988, the first
    weekend in January (which I think is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary
    celebration", if anyone has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that
    we started using the name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty
    much realized that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come
    up with a formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started
    threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the
   fork was going to remain. [...] 
 
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banseljaj wrote:
> This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.
> I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.

The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials 
for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his 
intellectual property claims.  We started making new gismu starting in 
Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year.  But the language 
was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it 
as a negotiating tactic.  Nora and I got married using vows written in a 
hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in 
Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of 
the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think 
is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone 
has such a thing in mind).  It was during 1988 that we started using the 
name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized 
that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a 
formal grammar).  That took most of the year, and the JCB started 
threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the 
fork was going to remain.

The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first 
couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more 
dates and details.

lojbab
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Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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