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On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder -
LLG <lojbab@lojban.org> wrote:

> banseljaj wrote:
>
>> This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.
>> I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.
>>
>
> The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials for
> a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his intellectual
> property claims.  We started making new gismu starting in Jun, and had a
> set of gismu by the end of the year.  But the language was still called
> Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it as a negotiating
> tactic.  Nora and I got married using vows written in a hybrid wordlist,
> and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in Williamsburg VA in October
> 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of the language at Evecon 1988, the
> first weekend in January (which I think is the logical time to plan a "25th
> anniversary celebration", if anyone has such a thing in mind).  It was
> during 1988 that we started using the name "Lojban - A Realization of
> Lojban",


"Lojban - A realization of Loglan" (picking nits)


> and we pretty much realized that we were going to have the finish the
> language (i.e come up with a formal grammar).  That took most of the year,
> and the JCB started threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much
> ensured that the fork was going to remain.
>
> The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first
> couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more
> dates and details.
>
> lojbab
> --
> Bob LeChevalier    lojbab@lojban.org    www.lojban.org
> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.
>

stevo

>
>

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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 2=
2, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blank">lojbab@=
lojban.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">banseljaj wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.<br>
I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan.<br>
</blockquote>
<br></div>
The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials for =
a Loglan class, since I wouldn&#39;t sign agreements conceding his intellec=
tual property claims. =A0We started making new gismu starting in Jun, and h=
ad a set of gismu by the end of the year. =A0But the language was still cal=
led Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it as a negotiating =
tactic. =A0Nora and I got married using vows written in a hybrid wordlist, =
and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in Williamsburg VA in October =
1987. There was a formal &quot;announcement&quot; of the language at Evecon=
 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think is the logical time to p=
lan a &quot;25th anniversary celebration&quot;, if anyone has such a thing =
in mind). =A0It was during 1988 that we started using the name &quot;Lojban=
 - A Realization of Lojban&quot;,</blockquote>

<div><br></div><div>&quot;Lojban - A realization of Loglan&quot; (picking n=
its)</div><div>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> and we pretty much =
realized that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up wi=
th a formal grammar). =A0That took most of the year, and the JCB started th=
reatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the fork=
 was going to remain.<br>


<br>
The early copies of Ju&#39;i Lobypli (under different names for the first c=
ouple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more dat=
es and details.<br>
<br>
lojbab<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
-- <br>
Bob LeChevalier =A0 =A0<a href=3D"mailto:lojbab@lojban.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">lojbab@lojban.org</a> =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://www.lojban.org" target=3D=
"_blank">www.lojban.org</a><br>
President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.</font></span><div c=
lass=3D"im HOEnZb"></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

<div class=3D"im HOEnZb">=A0</div></blockquote></div></div>

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