Received: from mail-pb0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]:63517) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMCvH-0001R2-9c; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:39:05 -0700 Received: by pbcwz17 with SMTP id wz17sf3980755pbc.16 for ; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:38:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=LUDZe4MWE0CLe7pm7iRBis9AtcOf1B0nA9utwtvJR0o=; b=0cj6WocbpY4G5mmkmfBqr/M1XFs5iuCdtd2iwxqeuYmIc1niA+C3XQI5F5oWxV3aoK 4Jhid5BTqUJKhtgpxumPW78EoSeukGiUhXiZAkhRPGRHtnzrNQ0NAfuIQQvzH8deKR1A DV+FzKyQ+99E8Kt6fZpzDWbX7iR46CSW8fuJc= Received: by 10.52.67.229 with SMTP id q5mr1268424vdt.20.1335163128842; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:38:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.108.7 with SMTP id d7ls3291723vcp.4.gmail; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.67.229 with SMTP id q5mr1268423vdt.20.1335163127659; Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:38:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 23:38:47 -0700 (PDT) From: banseljaj To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <24373886.2951.1335163127049.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcg6> In-Reply-To: <4F94755D.5070709@lojban.org> References: <28113694.43.1335113057979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yniw15> <4F94755D.5070709@lojban.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked off loglan? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2950_8612163.1335163127048" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2950_8612163.1335163127048 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi la lojbab Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an anniversary. First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would that be correct? Thanks again. Also, Thank you for Lojban. On Monday, April 23, 2012 2:17:17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote: > > banseljaj wrote: > > This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists. > > I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan. > > The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials > for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his > intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in > Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language > was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it > as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a > hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in > Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of > the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think > is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone > has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we started using the > name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized > that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a > formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started > threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the > fork was going to remain. > > The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first > couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more > dates and details. > > lojbab > -- > Bob LeChevalier > President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/04Y2hOM3U54J. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_2950_8612163.1335163127048 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi la lojbab

Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying = to plan out an anniversary.
First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th = Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would that be correct?
Thanks again= .
Also, Thank you for Lojban.

On Monday, April 23, 2012 2:17:= 17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote:

bans= eljaj wrote:
> This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists.=
> I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off lo= glan.
The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materi= als
for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his =
intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu startin= g in
Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the = language
was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thoug= ht if it
as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vo= ws written in a
hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our hon= eymoon in
Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announce= ment" of
the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (whi= ch I think
is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration"= , if anyone
has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we= started using the
name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pret= ty much realized
that we were going to have the finish the language (i.= e come up with a
formal grammar). That took most of the year, and= the JCB started
threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty muc= h ensured that the
fork was going to remain.
The early copies of = Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first
couple of issues), ar= e somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more
dates and details.<= /p>
lojbab
--
Bob LeChevalier
President and Founder, The Logic= al Language Group, Inc.

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