Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:64820) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMDe7-0001fd-Mg; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:20 -0700 Received: by bkcjk7 with SMTP id jk7sf2693003bkc.16 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RVBv6gZPqmCEuU29RF7ri9ICs5kh41GV2yVr7Lv1ffk=; b=VOLd39vXyNrd+xPQgC+ph27WRZZvw12qmG+0FUcV5tssLBATjWmZWe/HWrXWOmsa99 nFCaKcL070H+PCxwBXLbkZWk/I7FPaxSpDD/Rm7d9nmCm2d0WsQCMni7uOxq1YU0WnJY LXxqDye4BuIT+OaO9mtO3Yty/fn7CIZFtlv04= Received: by 10.204.149.212 with SMTP id u20mr865872bkv.24.1335165907805; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.131.87 with SMTP id w23ls471299bks.2.gmail; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.153.209 with SMTP id l17mr1366983bkw.4.1335165906353; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.153.209 with SMTP id l17mr1366982bkw.4.1335165906324; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id il15si7042788bkc.2.2012.04.23.00.25.06 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.171; Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id n10so14508059lbo.16 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.86.231 with SMTP id s7mr7057036lbz.11.1335165906076; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.44.129 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 00:25:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <24373886.2951.1335163127049.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcg6> References: <28113694.43.1335113057979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yniw15> <4F94755D.5070709@lojban.org> <24373886.2951.1335163127049.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcg6> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:25:06 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked off loglan? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0401fadb8c437204be5389e6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --f46d0401fadb8c437204be5389e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM, banseljaj wrote: > coi la lojbab > > Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an > anniversary. > First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January > 2013. Would that be correct? No. The 3rd was a Friday in '87, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday. > Thanks again. > Also, Thank you for Lojban. > > > > On Monday, April 23, 2012 2:17:17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote: > >> banseljaj wrote: >> > This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists. >> > I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan. >> >> The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials >> for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his >> intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in >> Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language >> was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it >> as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a >> hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in >> Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of >> the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think >> is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone >> has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we started using the >> name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized >> that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a >> formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started >> threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the >> fork was going to remain. >> >> The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first >> couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more >> dates and details. >> >> lojbab >> -- >> Bob LeChevalier >> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. >> >> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/04Y2hOM3U54J. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o (Come to the Dot Side! 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On Mon, Apr 2= 3, 2012 at 12:38 AM, banseljaj <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
coi la lojbab

Thank you for replying = so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an anniversary.
First weekend= of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would t= hat be correct?
=A0
No. The 3rd was a Friday in '87, the weekend is Saturday an= d Sunday.
=A0
Thanks again.
Also, Thank you for Lojban.


=
On Monday, April 23, 2012 2:17:17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote:
banseljaj wrote:
> This is a question to all o= ldhands, senior lojbanists.
> I am interested in knowing about the da= te Lojban was forked off loglan.

The process started in Mar 1987, after J= CB would not sell me materials
for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his
= intellectual property claims. =A0We started making new gismu starting in Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. =A0But the language <= br> was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it
= as a negotiating tactic. =A0Nora and I got married using vows written in a =
hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in
Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement"= ; of
the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I= think
is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration= ", if anyone
has such a thing in mind). =A0It was during 1988 that we started using the =
name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much r= ealized
that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up= with a
formal grammar). =A0That took most of the year, and the JCB started
thr= eatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the
f= ork was going to remain.

The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under = different names for the first
couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more dates and details.

lojbab
--
Bob LeChevalier

President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, I= nc.

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