Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:44124) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMELO-0001sI-Lh; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:10:03 -0700 Received: by vcbfo11 with SMTP id fo11sf13186687vcb.16 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TbNH2m0xhqT9CZXbcNVW5EtfeMZ6x+iYivdLLaGiV0E=; b=adC+HVOorKv88NnfOL80dYGNOa/3RHeag0c+rjsxiRajGu3v5aiBy+BRvJzZV6KlVe O2vkVFG+NLKhWVfcfcoAzRIecWZUa6i7OfmEDl0bVS8YQqTGo4fznOEjkOzdVnHo19DW dm+n5rzWkT3K4dDyyygXL2JH90CTGHHTzatL0= Received: by 10.52.24.244 with SMTP id x20mr1284759vdf.11.1335168591858; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.52.72.9 with SMTP id z9ls3314806vdu.7.gmail; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.24.244 with SMTP id x20mr1284756vdf.11.1335168590741; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 01:09:50 -0700 (PDT) From: banseljaj To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <19575515.2305.1335168590390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbli11> In-Reply-To: References: <28113694.43.1335113057979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yniw15> <4F94755D.5070709@lojban.org> <24373886.2951.1335163127049.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbcg6> Subject: Re: [lojban] Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked off loglan? MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_2304_11722356.1335168590389" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_2304_11722356.1335168590389 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Sorry. It is 1988. First weekend of 1988 is 2nd/3rd january. On Monday, April 23, 2012 12:25:06 PM UTC+5, aionys wrote: > > > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:38 AM, banseljaj wrote: > >> coi la lojbab >> >> Thank you for replying so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an >> anniversary. >> First weekend of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd >> January 2013. Would that be correct? > > > No. The 3rd was a Friday in '87, the weekend is Saturday and Sunday. > > >> Thanks again. >> Also, Thank you for Lojban. >> >> >> >> On Monday, April 23, 2012 2:17:17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote: >> >>> banseljaj wrote: >>> > This is a question to all oldhands, senior lojbanists. >>> > I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was forked off loglan. >>> >>> The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not sell me materials >>> for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his >>> intellectual property claims. We started making new gismu starting in >>> Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year. But the language >>> was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it >>> as a negotiating tactic. Nora and I got married using vows written in a >>> hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in >>> Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of >>> the language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think >>> is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone >>> has such a thing in mind). It was during 1988 that we started using the >>> name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized >>> that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a >>> formal grammar). That took most of the year, and the JCB started >>> threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the >>> fork was going to remain. >>> >>> The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under different names for the first >>> couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more >>> dates and details. >>> >>> lojbab >>> -- >>> Bob LeChevalier >>> President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc. >>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "lojban" group. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/04Y2hOM3U54J. >> >> To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. >> > > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D ) > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/8M4tz7MRPCcJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_2304_11722356.1335168590389 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry. It is 1988. First weekend of 1988 is 2nd/3rd january.

On Mond= ay, April 23, 2012 12:25:06 PM UTC+5, aionys wrote:


On Mon, Apr 23= , 2012 at 12:38 AM, banseljaj <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrote:
coi la lojbab

Thank you for replying = so quickly. I am indeed trying to plan out an anniversary.
First weekend= of January 1987 puts the 25th Anniversary at 2nd/3rd January 2013. Would t= hat be correct?
 
No. The 3rd was a Friday in '87, the weekend is Saturday and= Sunday.
 
Thanks again.
Also, Thank you for Lojban.



On Monday= , April 23, 2012 2:17:17 AM UTC+5, lojbab wrote:
banseljaj wrote:
> This is a question to all oldhands, seni= or lojbanists.
> I am interested in knowing about the date Lojban was= forked off loglan.

The process started in Mar 1987, after JCB would not = sell me materials
for a Loglan class, since I wouldn't sign agreements conceding his
inte= llectual property claims.  We started making new gismu starting in Jun, and had a set of gismu by the end of the year.  But the language=
was still called Loglan and then Loglan-88, and we still thought if it
= as a negotiating tactic.  Nora and I got married using vows written in= a
hybrid wordlist, and spoke some quasi-Lojban on our honeymoon in Williamsburg VA in October 1987. There was a formal "announcement" of
t= he language at Evecon 1988, the first weekend in January (which I think is the logical time to plan a "25th anniversary celebration", if anyone has such a thing in mind).  It was during 1988 that we started using t= he
name "Lojban - A Realization of Lojban", and we pretty much realized=
that we were going to have the finish the language (i.e come up with a=
formal grammar).  That took most of the year, and the JCB started
= threatening legal action in Feb 1989, which pretty much ensured that the fork was going to remain.

The early copies of Ju'i Lobypli (under d= ifferent names for the first
couple of issues), are somewhere on the Lojban website, and provide more dates and details.

lojbab
--
Bob LeChevalier

President and Founder, The Logical Language Group, Inc.

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.i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu= do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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