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At first I must say that I'm not a member of any language-developing 
committee (BPFK or anything).
And the following is just an idea how the flexibility of Lojban can be 
enriched.
Nobody is asked to use the following when writing or speaking real Lojban.
Everything here should be marked as exclusively experimental and (.a'o) as 
the source for further consideration.
None of the existing rules of Lojban (the baseline) is changed.

*Rafybri*
*
*
I always noticed how lujvo break the transparent logic of bridi.
Let's look at {nitkla} which means {klama lo cnita}.
Although it's much easier to learn {nitkla} rather then "descend" (in 
English they differ in sounding considerably)
nobody can guess that {nitkla} means "descend" and doesn't mean "go in a 
lower position under something" without getting the translation beforehand.

Although anybody is free to say "klama lo cnita" instead
it will lead to lengthier speech.

What I suggest is to glue bridi together into a new form of lujvo called 
"rafybri".
That's how it works. 
1. First rule

4 new rafsi
zve <= be fe lo
zvi <= be fi lo 
zvo <= be fo lo 
zvu <= be fu lo 
and 
jve (fifth rafsi)

When composing rafybri you replace gismu with rafsi and "be fe lo" etc. 
with new rafsi of ZVE series.

2. cmavo attached to rafsi don't lead to the emergence of a new meaning. 
Therefore selpa'i  is a synonym for "se prami" (actually the second rule is 
not a new rule at all).

Applying this rule we can dramatically compress the length of lojbanic 
jufra.
And if we replace cnita with dizlo in our example we can save even two 
syllables.
klama lo cnita = klama lo dizlo = kla+zve+dzi = klazvedzi

blanu je crino = blajveri'o. In this case I refer to {blajveri'o} as to a 
synonym of {blanu je crino} (blue-green). I suggest that no new meaning is 
added here.

In other words rafybri can be constructed from tanru only if the latter 
have logical operators
("pelnimre tricu" can't be compressed into rafybri).

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<div>At first I must say that I'm not a member of any language-developing c=
ommittee (BPFK or anything).<br></div><div>And the following is just an ide=
a how the flexibility of Lojban can be enriched.</div><div>Nobody is asked =
to use the following when writing or speaking real Lojban.</div><div>Everyt=
hing here should be marked as exclusively experimental and (.a'o) as the so=
urce for further consideration.</div><div>None of the existing rules of Loj=
ban (the baseline) is changed.</div><div><br></div><div><u>Rafybri</u></div=
><div><u><br></u></div><div>I always noticed how lujvo break the transparen=
t logic of bridi.</div><div>Let's look at {nitkla} which means {klama lo cn=
ita}.</div><div>Although it's much easier to learn {nitkla} rather then "de=
scend" (in English they differ in sounding considerably)</div><div>nobody c=
an guess that {nitkla} means "descend" and doesn't mean "go in a lower posi=
tion under something" without getting the translation beforehand.</div><div=
><br></div><div>Although anybody is free to say "klama lo cnita" instead</d=
iv><div>it will lead to lengthier speech.</div><div><br></div><div>What I s=
uggest is to glue bridi together into a new form of lujvo called "rafybri".=
</div><div>That's how it works.&nbsp;</div><div>1. First rule</div><blockqu=
ote style=3D"margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div>4 new ra=
fsi</div><div>zve &lt;=3D be fe lo</div><div>zvi &lt;=3D be fi lo&nbsp;</di=
v><div>zvo &lt;=3D be fo lo&nbsp;</div><div>zvu &lt;=3D be fu lo&nbsp;</div=
><div>and&nbsp;</div><div>jve (fifth rafsi)</div></blockquote><div>When com=
posing rafybri you replace gismu with rafsi and "be fe lo" etc. with new ra=
fsi of ZVE series.<br></div><div><br></div><div>2. cmavo attached to rafsi =
don't lead to the emergence of a new meaning. Therefore selpa'i &nbsp;is a =
synonym for "se prami" (actually the second rule is not a new rule at all).=
</div><div><br></div><div>Applying this rule we can dramatically compress t=
he length of lojbanic jufra.</div><div>And if we replace cnita with dizlo i=
n our example we can save even two syllables.</div><div>klama lo cnita =3D =
klama lo dizlo =3D kla+zve+dzi =3D klazvedzi</div><div><br></div><div>blanu=
 je crino =3D blajveri'o. In this case I refer to {blajveri'o} as to a syno=
nym of {blanu je crino} (blue-green). I suggest that no new meaning is adde=
d here.</div><div><br></div><div>In other words rafybri can be constructed =
from tanru only if the latter have logical operators</div><div>("pelnimre t=
ricu" can't be compressed into rafybri).</div>

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