Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:60894) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMr02-00053w-BG; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:35 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf254093eek.16 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WGr2g4seAc1BFbf5nHpbpQS71Fv6MO5jvW1QoIoMxIg=; b=HmXSYujjxhd0E2ckq/aqZRhFPCx4gZBevm8Zc1EVzvP37WZ3P0VxyqbMkPrel2P6UD kclMH5LH8sGdLKcfQV0kUxayCrjF0N3EIxOdsTuF+vv1tTkvKvrdy3/FLDyMrAqsuvoM 0GOumumqqBXVhUQM5WdMFCCVyP2l/YzPqtaBI= Received: by 10.205.133.144 with SMTP id hy16mr8605bkc.21.1335317182740; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.5.133 with SMTP id 5ls7218945bkv.0.gmail; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.140 with SMTP id gk12mr71574bkc.1.1335317181545; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.205.123.140 with SMTP id gk12mr71573bkc.1.1335317181524; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f171.google.com (mail-lb0-f171.google.com [209.85.217.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id cs9si24048331bkb.3.2012.04.24.18.26.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.171; Received: by mail-lb0-f171.google.com with SMTP id m4so628577lbo.30 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.110.4 with SMTP id hw4mr587066lab.44.1335317181334; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.106.39 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:26:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <17809463.979.1335316691327.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbmi19> References: <20120418203025.GV24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120424182759.GN24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <16768295.1489.1335316403850.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbdx11> <20120425011536.GP24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <17809463.979.1335316691327.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbmi19> From: MorphemeAddict Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 21:26:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: {zdile} is confusingly glossed (was Re: [lojban] Baby word: silly) To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lytlesw@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lytlesw@gmail.com designates 209.85.217.171 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lytlesw@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54c546e4182c104be76c2ae X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --bcaec54c546e4182c104be76c2ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My interpretation is that need is an internal motivation, whereas obligation is from external sources. Whether this applies to Lojban, I can't say. stevo On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:18 PM, la .lindar. wrote: > That's subtle, though. {mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi >> djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta >> cu cpedu}, OSLT. >> >> -Robin >> > Explain, Oh Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don't quite see the difference. I > interpret as "have need of" vs. "am required to" where {nitcu} has some > kind of implicit raising. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/rDkwIX_dWEgJ. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --bcaec54c546e4182c104be76c2ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My interpretation is that need is an internal mo= tivation, whereas obligation is from external sources.=A0
Whether this applies to Lojban, I can't say.=A0
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stevo

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:18 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.= com> wrote:

That's subtle, though. =A0{mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu= mi
djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le ma= mta
cu cpedu}, OSLT.

-Robin

Explain, Oh= Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don't quite see the difference. I interpret= as "have need of" vs. "am required to" where {nitcu} h= as some kind of implicit raising.=A0

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