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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id sg8si26214268pbc.0.2012.04.24.18.37.40 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SMrAp-00057j-IT for lojban@googlegroups.com; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:37:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 18:37:39 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: {zdile} is confusingly glossed (was Re: [lojban] Baby word: silly) Message-ID: <20120425013738.GR24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120418203025.GV24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120424182759.GN24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <16768295.1489.1335316403850.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbdx11> <20120425011536.GP24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <17809463.979.1335316691327.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbmi19> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / {nitcu} is "To be able to X, Y is required". {bilga} is "I agreed to do Y". So, no, nitcu is not quite what you said. -Robin On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 09:26:01PM -0400, MorphemeAddict wrote: > My interpretation is that need is an internal motivation, whereas > obligation is from external sources. > Whether this applies to Lojban, I can't say. > > stevo > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:18 PM, la .lindar. wrote: > > > That's subtle, though. {mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi > >> djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta > >> cu cpedu}, OSLT. > >> > >> -Robin > >> > > Explain, Oh Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don't quite see the difference. I > > interpret as "have need of" vs. "am required to" where {nitcu} has some > > kind of implicit raising. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "lojban" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/rDkwIX_dWEgJ. > > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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