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On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:

> That's subtle, though.  {mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi
>> djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta
>> cu cpedu}, OSLT.
>>
>> -Robin
>>
> Explain, Oh Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don't quite see the difference. I
> interpret as "have need of" vs. "am required to" where {nitcu} has some
> kind of implicit raising.
>


{mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi djica lo ladru}
"I need to go to the store because I want milk."
In order to satisfy my desire (milk), there is something that must happen
(go to the store).

{mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta cu cpedu}
"I need to go to the store because my mother asked me to."
In order to satisfy my obligation (mother's request), there is something
that must happen (go to the store).

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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Apr 2=
4, 2012 at 7:18 PM, la .lindar. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lin=
darthebard@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">
<p>That&#39;s subtle, though. =A0{mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu=
 mi<br>djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu le ma=
mta<br>cu cpedu}, OSLT.</p><p>-Robin</p></blockquote></div><div>Explain, Oh=
 Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don&#39;t quite see the difference. I interpret=
 as &quot;have need of&quot; vs. &quot;am required to&quot; where {nitcu} h=
as some kind of implicit raising.=A0</div>
</blockquote><div><br><br>{mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu mi dji=
ca lo ladru}<br>&quot;I need to go to the store because I want milk.&quot;<=
br>In order to satisfy my desire (milk), there is something that must happe=
n (go to the store).<br>
<br>{mi bilga co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu le mamta cu cpedu}<br>&quot;=
I need to go to the store because my mother asked me to.&quot;<br>In order =
to satisfy my obligation (mother&#39;s request), there is something that mu=
st happen (go to the store).<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;b=
order-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">

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