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Ah the {co} trick. I remember when I discovered it. It lets you say the
most concise things:
{i mi joi lo pampe'o cu simxu co kansa co zgana co tigni co pendo}
is certainly more concise, albeit less precise than:
{i mi joi lo pampe'o cu simxu lo ka ce'u kansa ce'u lo ka ce'u zgana lo nu
lo pendo cu tigni}.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 24 April 2012 23:22, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, la .lindar. <lindarthebard@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That's subtle, though.  {mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi
>>> djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta
>>> cu cpedu}, OSLT.
>>>
>>> -Robin
>>>
>> Explain, Oh Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don't quite see the difference. I
>> interpret as "have need of" vs. "am required to" where {nitcu} has some
>> kind of implicit raising.
>>
>
>
> {mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu mi djica lo ladru}
> "I need to go to the store because I want milk."
> In order to satisfy my desire (milk), there is something that must happen
> (go to the store).
>
>
> {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu'i lo nu le mamta cu cpedu}
> "I need to go to the store because my mother asked me to."
> In order to satisfy my obligation (mother's request), there is something
> that must happen (go to the store).
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra">Ah the {co} trick. I remember when I discovered =
it. It lets you say the most concise things:=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra">{i mi joi lo pampe&#39;o cu simxu co kansa co zgana co tigni co pendo}=
</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra">is certainly more concise, albeit less precise t=
han:</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">{i mi joi lo pampe&#39;o cu simxu lo k=
a ce&#39;u kansa ce&#39;u lo ka ce&#39;u zgana lo nu lo pendo cu tigni}.</d=
iv>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra">mu&#39;o mi=
&#39;e la tsani</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On 24 April 2012 23:22, Jonathan Jones <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:18 PM, la .li=
ndar. <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lindarthebard@gmail.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">lindarthebard@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc=
 solid;padding-left:1ex">


<p>That&#39;s subtle, though. =A0{mi nitcu co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu=
 mi<br>djica lo ladru} vs. {mi bilga co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu le ma=
mta<br>cu cpedu}, OSLT.</p><p>-Robin</p></blockquote></div><div>Explain, Oh=
 Grand Chief Lojbanistan. I don&#39;t quite see the difference. I interpret=
 as &quot;have need of&quot; vs. &quot;am required to&quot; where {nitcu} h=
as some kind of implicit raising.=A0</div>


</blockquote></div><div><div class=3D"im"><br><br>{mi nitcu co klama le zar=
ci mu&#39;i lo nu mi djica lo ladru}<br></div>&quot;I need to go to the sto=
re because I want milk.&quot;<br>In order to satisfy my desire (milk), ther=
e is something that must happen (go to the store).<div class=3D"im">

<br>
<br>{mi bilga co klama le zarci mu&#39;i lo nu le mamta cu cpedu}<br></div>=
&quot;I need to go to the store because my mother asked me to.&quot;<br>In =
order to satisfy my obligation (mother&#39;s request), there is something t=
hat must happen (go to the store).<br>


</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div>

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