Received: from mail-vx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:42195) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SN1ps-0000pd-E9; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:01:02 -0700 Received: by vcbfo11 with SMTP id fo11sf35882vcb.16 for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=q8yfEP4OcwWFS1AMbRrAINL1Z74bWKQ3ydSm7lP+c6A=; b=muROWO3VmErQaArC5/KM1td490k4PBEAdkwlUKyegaHtEorwhqLWAlC3rbeVJ+D1RP T1yu1yq36a0K+LJdoqeX42qHwKijHeB6uL7B9VqC1MWoZZ/c/qKsMI6rpel7TOQQS0tG RZRIokI/PLtdG7IXgs4IlEX9lbz5yCZsGXfls= Received: by 10.236.180.36 with SMTP id i24mr80467yhm.3.1335358835403; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.176.198 with SMTP id b46ls47850yhm.2.gmail; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.189.9 with SMTP id b9mr3092450yhn.8.1335358834068; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.189.9 with SMTP id b9mr3092448yhn.8.1335358834054; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d65si20360139yhn.3.2012.04.25.06.00.33; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 06:00:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from darner.ixazon.lan (darner.ixazon.lan [192.168.7.5]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D32401796B for ; Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:00:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] me'ispe was Rafybri Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 09:00:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.5 (DragonFly/3.1-DEVELOPMENT; KDE/4.5.5; i386; ; ) References: <3713959.1175.1335276119163.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjb15> <22535506.2534.1335343311953.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjj38> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201204250900.31257.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote: > The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the > meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not seem to > fit in with what is used to make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the word, > without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do with > the concepts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the > conclusion that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a > marriage. This makes sense. > > me'ispe currently means "Brother-in-Law". > > My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't to try to memorize the > meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make it > more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is > automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/ word. "me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "x1 is married to the sister of x2 by custom/bond x3". This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also includes spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda .ini'ibo mi na speni mu'omi'e .pier. -- loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.