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On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:00:30 PM UTC+2, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the
> > meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not seem 
> to
> > fit in with what is used to make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the 
> word,
> > without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do 
> with
> > the concepts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the
> > conclusion that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a
> > marriage. This makes sense.
> > 
> > me'ispe currently means "Brother-in-Law".
> > 
> > My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't to try to memorize the
> > meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make it
> > more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is
> > automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/ word.
>
> "me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "x1 is married to the sister of x2 by 
> custom/bond x3". This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also 
> includes 
> spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda 
> .ini'ibo mi na speni
>

There's one more reason why me'ispe is not the same as brother-in-law: 
me'ispe can be a sister's wife.

mu'o mi'e ianek

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<br><br>On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:00:30 PM UTC+2, Pierre Abbat wrote:<=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;bord=
er-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05=
:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>&gt; The only time I have trouble with a Lo=
jban word, however, is when the<br>&gt; meaning is counter-intuitive, that =
is, when what it means does not seem to<br>&gt; fit in with what is used to=
 make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the word,<br>&gt; without knowing the=
 definition, you would think it has something to do with<br>&gt; the concep=
ts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the<br>&gt; conclusio=
n that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a<br>&gt; marr=
iage. This makes sense.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; me'ispe currently means "Brother-i=
n-Law".<br>&gt; <br>&gt; My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't t=
o try to memorize the<br>&gt; meaning, or to come with some addition to the=
 language that will make it<br>&gt; more complicated while seeming to make =
it more simple (any addition is<br>&gt; automatically an increase in comple=
xity), but to /fix/ the /broken/ word.<p>"me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "=
x1 is married to the sister of x2 by <br>custom/bond x3". This is not the s=
ame as brother-in-law, which also includes <br>spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe =
mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda <br>.ini'ibo mi na speni</p><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>There's one more reason why me'ispe is not =
the same as brother-in-law: me'ispe can be a sister's wife.</div><div><br><=
/div><div>mu'o mi'e ianek</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;"=
><p></p></blockquote>

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