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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:23 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:00:30 PM UTC+2, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>> > The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the
>> > meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not seem
>> to
>> > fit in with what is used to make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the
>> word,
>> > without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do
>> with
>> > the concepts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the
>> > conclusion that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a
>> > marriage. This makes sense.
>> >
>> > me'ispe currently means "Brother-in-Law".
>> >
>> > My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't to try to memorize the
>> > meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make it
>> > more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is
>> > automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/
>> word.
>>
>> "me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "x1 is married to the sister of x2 by
>> custom/bond x3". This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also
>> includes
>> spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda
>> .ini'ibo mi na speni
>>
>
> There's one more reason why me'ispe is not the same as brother-in-law:
> me'ispe can be a sister's wife.
>

You mean wife's sister.


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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 =
at 12:23 PM, ianek <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:janek37@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">janek37@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote=
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d;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:00:30 PM UTC+2, Pierre Abb=
at wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.=
8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wednesday, April 25, 20=
12 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt; The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the<=
br>&gt; meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not =
seem to<br>&gt; fit in with what is used to make it, such as me&#39;ispe. L=
ooking at the word,<br>
&gt; without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do=
 with<br>&gt; the concepts of &quot;marriage&quot; and &quot;sister&quot;, =
and you may even reach the<br>&gt; conclusion that it&#39;s talking about s=
omeone who is a sister because of a<br>
&gt; marriage. This makes sense.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; me&#39;ispe currently mea=
ns &quot;Brother-in-Law&quot;.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; My line of attack for lujvo=
 like the above isn&#39;t to try to memorize the<br>&gt; meaning, or to com=
e with some addition to the language that will make it<br>
&gt; more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is=
<br>&gt; automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken=
/ word.<p>&quot;me&#39;ispe&quot; isn&#39;t broken. It means &quot;x1 is ma=
rried to the sister of x2 by <br>
custom/bond x3&quot;. This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also in=
cludes <br>spebu&#39;a. i la stiv. me&#39;ispe mi .ije mi spebu&#39;a la st=
iv. i mi me&#39;ispe noda <br>.ini&#39;ibo mi na speni</p></blockquote>
<div><br></div></div><div>There&#39;s one more reason why me&#39;ispe is no=
t the same as brother-in-law: me&#39;ispe can be a sister&#39;s wife.</div>=
</blockquote><div><br>You mean wife&#39;s sister.<br>=A0</div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e ianek</div><div class=3D"im"><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #=
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