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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 12:23 PM, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:00:30 PM UTC+2, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:
>>> > The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the
>>> > meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not seem
>>> > to
>>> > fit in with what is used to make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the
>>> > word,
>>> > without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do
>>> > with
>>> > the concepts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the
>>> > conclusion that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a
>>> > marriage. This makes sense.
>>> >
>>> > me'ispe currently means "Brother-in-Law".
>>> >
>>> > My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't to try to memorize the
>>> > meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make
>>> > it
>>> > more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is
>>> > automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/
>>> > word.
>>>
>>> "me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "x1 is married to the sister of x2 by
>>> custom/bond x3". This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also
>>> includes
>>> spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda
>>> .ini'ibo mi na speni
>>
>>
>> There's one more reason why me'ispe is not the same as brother-in-law:
>> me'ispe can be a sister's wife.
>
> You mean wife's sister.

No, a wife's sister isn't a sisterish sort of spouse. (She's a
speme'i, not a me'ispe.) A sister's wife, however, is.

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