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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the
> > meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not seem
> to
> > fit in with what is used to make it, such as me'ispe. Looking at the
> word,
> > without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do
> with
> > the concepts of "marriage" and "sister", and you may even reach the
> > conclusion that it's talking about someone who is a sister because of a
> > marriage. This makes sense.
> >
> > me'ispe currently means "Brother-in-Law".
> >
> > My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn't to try to memorize the
> > meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make it
> > more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is
> > automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/ word.
>
> "me'ispe" isn't broken. It means "x1 is married to the sister of x2 by
> custom/bond x3". This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also
> includes
> spebu'a. i la stiv. me'ispe mi .ije mi spebu'a la stiv. i mi me'ispe noda
> .ini'ibo mi na speni
>

me'ispe <http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/me%27ispe>: s1 is a
brother-in-law (sister's spouse) of m2 under
law/custom/tradition/system/convention sp3.

If you look up "brother-in-law", that ^ is what you find. So either the
definition of me'ispe is "brother-in-law" and is broken for reasons stated
previously, or it isn't and is broken because the definition is wrong.


> mu'omi'e .pier.
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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 =
at 7:00 AM, Pierre Abbat <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phma@phma.=
optus.nu" target=3D"_blank">phma@phma.optus.nu</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 05:15:25 Jonathan Jones wrote:<br>
&gt; The only time I have trouble with a Lojban word, however, is when the<=
br>
&gt; meaning is counter-intuitive, that is, when what it means does not see=
m to<br>
&gt; fit in with what is used to make it, such as me&#39;ispe. Looking at t=
he word,<br>
&gt; without knowing the definition, you would think it has something to do=
 with<br>
&gt; the concepts of &quot;marriage&quot; and &quot;sister&quot;, and you m=
ay even reach the<br>
&gt; conclusion that it&#39;s talking about someone who is a sister because=
 of a<br>
&gt; marriage. This makes sense.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; me&#39;ispe currently means &quot;Brother-in-Law&quot;.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; My line of attack for lujvo like the above isn&#39;t to try to memoriz=
e the<br>
&gt; meaning, or to come with some addition to the language that will make =
it<br>
&gt; more complicated while seeming to make it more simple (any addition is=
<br>
&gt; automatically an increase in complexity), but to /fix/ the /broken/ wo=
rd.<br>
<br>
&quot;me&#39;ispe&quot; isn&#39;t broken. It means &quot;x1 is married to t=
he sister of x2 by<br>
custom/bond x3&quot;. This is not the same as brother-in-law, which also in=
cludes<br>
spebu&#39;a. i la stiv. me&#39;ispe mi .ije mi spebu&#39;a la stiv. i mi me=
&#39;ispe noda<br>
.ini&#39;ibo mi na speni<br></blockquote><div><br><a href=3D"http://vlasisk=
u.lojban.org/vlasisku/me%27ispe">me&#39;ispe</a>: s<sub>1</sub> is a brothe=
r-in-law (sister&#39;s spouse) of m<sub>2</sub> under law/custom/tradition/=
system/convention sp<sub>3</sub>.<br>
<br>If you look up &quot;brother-in-law&quot;, that ^ is what you find. So =
either the definition of me&#39;ispe is &quot;brother-in-law&quot; and is b=
roken for reasons stated previously, or it isn&#39;t and is broken because =
the definition is wrong.<br>
=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8e=
x;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">

mu&#39;omi&#39;e .pier.<br>
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loi mintu se ckaji danlu cu jmaji<br>
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