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[68.230.241.218]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id ez28si2435582qcb.1.2012.04.27.09.49.54; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 09:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) client-ip=68.230.241.218; Received: from eastrmimpo306.cox.net ([68.230.241.238]) by eastrmfepo203.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20120427164954.HQOE18532.eastrmfepo203.cox.net@eastrmimpo306.cox.net> for ; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:49:54 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.187.237.100]) by eastrmimpo306.cox.net with bizsmtp id 34pt1j00T2AfMYu024pt7Z; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:49:54 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020203.4F9ACE32.0065,ss=1,re=0.000,fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=oNsJgJ5cAGpTaXJztO+k5aVuruDCBvmbzOAslSMJ7bY= c=1 sm=1 a=dYDkaTZZu5wA:10 a=AZQ2Gfb9Kt0A:10 a=xmHE3fpoGJwA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:17 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=DFG17WY8oOLu-TDwuBQA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MQZuvjT3xUZLKv0gclfWMg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4F9ACE3B.6020100@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:50:03 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Historians: Do you happen to know when lojban was forked off loglan? References: <28113694.43.1335113057979.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yniw15> <2833916.303.1335444873604.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfr22> In-Reply-To: <2833916.303.1335444873604.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfr22> X-Original-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.230.241.218 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of lojbab@lojban.org) smtp.mail=lojbab@lojban.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / najrut wrote: > Can anybody please tell us when and how Laadan indicators were > introduced into Loglan/Lojban? If I dig through the mail files, I can probably find the exact date, but I believe it was sometime in 1988. Longtime Loglanist/Lojbanist Bob Chassell had urged us to look at the ideas used in Laadan, but didn't suggest anything in particular. Nora had read Elgin's novels and was somewhat familiar with the language concept, but not the details (I later read them as well). But then in 1988, Don Simpson, an SF area Lojbanist, wrote an essay, which you can find here, rather early in the file (look for his name): http://www.lojban.org/files/why-lojban/whylojb.txt We probably added the words in a tentative way in 1988 at the time of the indicated JL, but the entire indicator system was overhauled in Fall 1989, and that is when the current set was put in place. The key event in that overhaul was a 1989 meeting in New Jersey that we had enroute back from Worldcon (Noreascon 3) in Boston, which was Labor Day weekend. After that meeting, I wrote up a proposal which was discussed and approved in September/October, and which included the Laadan indicators. lojbab -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.