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On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:54 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:59 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 25 April 2012 02:37, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > {bilga} is "I agreed to do Y".
> >>
> >> An obligation can occur or be presumed without agreement from the
> >> expected agent. A court judge, for example, can rule that koha shall
> >> spend 10 years in prison regardless of koha's agreement. A prison
> >> break happens during a servitude: {mi cliva ca lo nu bilga lo nu to'e
> >> cliva}.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure a prison sentence can be counted as an obligation unless it
> > really is agreed to.
> >
>
> I imagine that depends in part on how you feel about 18th-century
> attitudes toward social contracts, which probably should not be
> encoded one way or the other into language design.
>
> I think it has more to do with the definition of "obligated". And yes, how
one feels about 18th-century attitudes toward social contracts should not
be encoded into language design.

stevo

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<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 2=
7, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Craig Daniel <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:c=
raigbdaniel@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">craigbdaniel@gmail.com</a>&gt;</sp=
an> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class=3D"im">On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12=
:54 PM, MorphemeAddict &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lytlesw@gmail.com">lytlesw@gma=
il.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>


&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 5:59 AM, tijlan &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijla=
n@gmail.com">jbotijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; On 25 April 2012 02:37, Robin Lee Powell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rlp=
owell@digitalkingdom.org">rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; &gt; {bilga} is &quot;I agreed to do Y&quot;.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; An obligation can occur or be presumed without agreement from the<=
br>
&gt;&gt; expected agent. A court judge, for example, can rule that koha sha=
ll<br>
&gt;&gt; spend 10 years in prison regardless of koha&#39;s agreement. A pri=
son<br>
&gt;&gt; break happens during a servitude: {mi cliva ca lo nu bilga lo nu t=
o&#39;e<br>
&gt;&gt; cliva}.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m not sure a prison sentence can be counted as an obligation unl=
ess it<br>
&gt; really is agreed to.<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</div>I imagine that depends in part on how you feel about 18th-century<br>
attitudes toward social contracts, which probably should not be<br>
encoded one way or the other into language design.<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br></div></div></blockquote><div>I=
 think it has more to do with the definition of &quot;obligated&quot;. And =
yes, how one feels about 18th-century attitudes toward social contracts sho=
uld not be encoded into language design.=A0</div>

<div><br></div><div>stevo=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div cla=
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