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[129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si1577314bks.1.2012.05.02.02.17.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 02 May 2012 02:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id E84C39478E for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:17:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id q429H6HV011851 for ; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:17:06 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q429H6FP011850 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 2 May 2012 11:17:06 +0200 Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 11:17:06 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "be careful of X" Message-ID: <20120502091706.GH21758@nvg.org> References: <20120502050927.GH30708@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <20120502080306.GG21758@nvg.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 03:03:52AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote= : >=20 > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 10:09:27PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > > > > The specific example was "Be carefull pulling on that toy; it's > > > going to spring back and hit you and that will hurt". > > > > A reasonably precise rendition might be ralci+tarti or ralci+pilno. >=20 > Those both seem to be the wrong sense of "careful" to me. > That is, they mean careful as in "handle with care", not "watch out". As a non-native speaker, I might have been unaware of the subtle shades of = meaning of the word =93careful=94 (although even after consulting two dicti= onaries, I'm not convinced there is a clear distinction between the two). In any case, taken in context, Robin's example seems more like an exhortati= on to handle the toy with care, since watching out isn't likely to help =96= if it does spring back, there won't be enough time to react. --=20 Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State. --Susan Hewitt and Edward Subitzky --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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