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Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "be careful of X"
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On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:

> On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 03:03:52AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 10:09:27PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The specific example was "Be carefull pulling on that toy; it's
> > > > going to spring back and hit you and that will hurt".
> > >
> > > A reasonably precise rendition might be ralci+tarti or ralci+pilno.
> >
> > Those both seem to be the wrong sense of "careful" to me.
> > That is, they mean careful as in "handle with care", not "watch out".
>
> As a non-native speaker, I might have been unaware of the subtle shades o=
f
> meaning of the word =93careful=94 (although even after consulting two
> dictionaries, I'm not convinced there is a clear distinction between the
> two).
>

Well, to elaborate, "Be careful transporting that, it's made of class"
means to be careful not to break it- the danger is to the the object.
Whereas "Be careful, the stove is hot" means to be careful interacting with
it- the danger is to you.

So, basically the difference is whether the person you're talking to is the
lo ckape or the lo se ckape, approximately.


> In any case, taken in context, Robin's example seems more like an
> exhortation to handle the toy with care, since watching out isn't likely =
to
> help =96 if it does spring back, there won't be enough time to react.
>
> --
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> Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the
> Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist
> or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Arnt Richard Joh=
ansen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:arj@nvg.org" target=3D"_blank=
">arj@nvg.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 03:03:52AM -0600, Jonathan Jones =
wrote:<br>
&gt; On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 2:03 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:arj@nvg.org">arj@nvg.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; On Tue, May 01, 2012 at 10:09:27PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote:=
<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt; &gt; &gt; The specific example was &quot;Be ca=
refull pulling on that toy; it&#39;s<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; going to spring back and hit you and that will hurt&quot;.<b=
r>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; A reasonably precise rendition might be ralci+tarti or ralci+piln=
o.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Those both seem to be the wrong sense of &quot;careful&quot; to me.<br=
>
&gt; That is, they mean careful as in &quot;handle with care&quot;, not &qu=
ot;watch out&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>As a non-native speaker, I might have been unaware of the subtle shad=
es of meaning of the word =93careful=94 (although even after consulting two=
 dictionaries, I&#39;m not convinced there is a clear distinction between t=
he two).<br>
</blockquote><div><br>Well, to elaborate, &quot;Be careful transporting tha=
t, it&#39;s made of class&quot; means to be careful not to break it- the da=
nger is to the the object. Whereas &quot;Be careful, the stove is hot&quot;=
 means to be careful interacting with it- the danger is to you.<br>
<br>So, basically the difference is whether the person you&#39;re talking t=
o is the lo ckape or the lo se ckape, approximately.<br>=A0</div><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px s=
olid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">


In any case, taken in context, Robin&#39;s example seems more like an exhor=
tation to handle the toy with care, since watching out isn&#39;t likely to =
help =96 if it does spring back, there won&#39;t be enough time to react.<b=
r>

<div class=3D"im"><br>
--<br>
Arnt Richard Johansen =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =
=A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://arj.nvg.org/" target=3D"_blank">http://arj.nvg=
.org/</a><br>
</div>Please Note: Some Quantum Physics Theories Suggest That When the<br>
Consumer Is Not Directly Observing This Product, It May Cease to Exist<br>
or Will Exist Only in a Vague and Undetermined State.<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--S=
usan Hewitt and Edward Subitzky<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>mu&#39;o mi=
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