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The subject more or less says it all: what happens when two {jai} are used
?
Do the {fai} require subscripting? Does the language fall apart? Is this
simply undefined usage? Does the Earth explode?

This occurred to me when replying to another post, suggesting {lo selkei
ka'e jai jai ri'a cortu}. I simply wanted to jai-convert a rinka1 into
cortu, but also wanted to jai-reify that rinka1. Now, does the fai-place
specify the event of rinka1, or does it specify the original cortu1 ?

I vaguely remember reading about something like this... double
jai-conversion (of multiple tags, perhaps? {jai ri'a jai ki'u broda} for
instance) on the wiki; it was just a transcript of an IRC discussion that
seemed mostly inconclusive though. I'd assume subscripting to be necessary
on the fai, such that in {jai ri'a jai ki'u broda fai xi pa lo su'u brode
kei fai xi re lo su'u brodi}, [fai xi pa] is filling rinka1, the outermost
conversion, and that [fai xi re] is filling krinu1, the next inner
conversion.

Writing this, something else has occurred to me. Could we simply surround a
jai-conversion with identical SE tags to convert a non-x1 place?
Consider {cortu}, which is 2-ary. Let's surround a jai-ri'a conversion with
{te}, {do te jai ri'a te cortu lo xance lo nu lo gerku cu batci}. Doing so,
we can effectively replace the undefined places of a selbri, thus
eliminating the requirement for fai! However, when doing so for selbri that
already defines places 1 to 5, we encounter SE-clunkiness, which certainly
makes this idea sub-optimal: {mi se xi xa jai fau se xi xa klama zo'e zo'e
zo'e zo'e lo nu broda}.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

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The subject more or less says it all: what happens when two {jai} are used =
?=A0<div>Do the {fai} require subscripting? Does the language fall apart? I=
s this simply undefined usage? Does the Earth explode?</div><div><br></div>

<div>This occurred to me when replying to another post, suggesting {lo selk=
ei ka&#39;e jai jai ri&#39;a cortu}. I simply wanted to jai-convert a rinka=
1 into cortu, but also wanted to jai-reify that rinka1. Now, does the fai-p=
lace specify the event of rinka1, or does it specify the original cortu1 ?<=
/div>

<div><br></div><div>I vaguely remember reading about something like this...=
 double jai-conversion (of multiple tags, perhaps? {jai ri&#39;a jai ki&#39=
;u broda} for instance) on the wiki; it was just a transcript of an IRC dis=
cussion that seemed mostly inconclusive though. I&#39;d assume subscripting=
 to be necessary on the fai, such that in {jai ri&#39;a jai ki&#39;u broda =
fai xi pa lo su&#39;u brode kei fai xi re lo su&#39;u brodi}, [fai xi pa] i=
s filling rinka1, the outermost conversion, and that [fai xi re] is filling=
 krinu1, the next inner conversion.</div>

<div><br></div><div>Writing this, something else has occurred to me. Could =
we simply surround a jai-conversion with identical SE tags to convert a non=
-x1 place?=A0</div><div>Consider {cortu}, which is 2-ary. Let&#39;s surroun=
d a jai-ri&#39;a conversion with {te}, {do te jai ri&#39;a te cortu lo xanc=
e lo nu lo gerku cu batci}. Doing so, we can effectively replace the undefi=
ned places of a selbri, thus eliminating the requirement for fai! However, =
when doing so for selbri that already defines places 1 to 5, we encounter S=
E-clunkiness, which certainly makes this idea sub-optimal: {mi se xi xa jai=
 fau se xi xa klama zo&#39;e zo&#39;e zo&#39;e zo&#39;e lo nu broda}.</div>

<div><br></div><div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e la tsani</div>

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