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On Wed, May 02, 2012 at 06:55:18PM -0400, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote:
> Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> >I don't see a good way to do this as a bridi.  {kajde} isn't use,
> >it's mention; that is, {kajde} isn't warning someone, it's talking
> >about someone having been warned.  I don't see anything else good.
> >
> >Ideas?
> 
> The problem seems to be that people are insisting on translating
> "Be careful" as an imperative based on "careful".  That is English
> idiom.  I am pretty sure that not all languages express warnings
> in terms of "being careful".
> 
> You can indeed use kajde, just not as an imperative.  Statements
> about events are not necessarily in the past tense.
> 
> mi kajde do lenu ...
> (which event you can mark with pu'o to warn of an impending catastrophe).

That exactly doesn't work, though; look at kajde.

  x1 (event/experience) warns/cautions x2 (person) of/about danger x3 (event/state/property).

{kajde} describes that something happened/happens that warns someone
about a danger.  It is the mention, not the use.  tu'a/jai doesn't
fix this; {kajde cusku} is Ok-ish I guess.  IOW, kajde is:

  lo nu do fagri cortu cu kajde do tu'a lo fagri

It describes the event of learning about a danger; it is not used to
*say* "Danger!".

c.f. the problem with {mabla}; as jcowan has said, you can't have
your use and mention it too.

-Robin

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