Received: from mail-ee0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]:55785) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SPzVe-0003D6-Hl; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:08:18 -0700 Received: by eeke50 with SMTP id e50sf1325901eek.16 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ZsHSTA9z3MJ6zqj/9RShL06DORDlqvNLCPu/GzULjKc=; b=GzRq9IIdRTXnmuBpQH7D+NLavFfkMQMoPmWJS9rkjToub8BPEADJo8ORSbfpVByygl 0kxPhPMWxCGCo+yGJ3bD+Cedn3pWPbWr45W5ZJyBSOsirFCqYvXfQzUkSHl7q/DNO0Rf CME1GZvjb64v8N1oX/G4hllBIBi+p/4Hq/4ls= Received: by 10.204.145.83 with SMTP id c19mr60167bkv.22.1336064878763; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.154.7 with SMTP id m7ls901630bkw.5.gmail; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr395496bkw.0.1336064876757; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.154.133 with SMTP id o5mr395495bkw.0.1336064876735; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bk0-f45.google.com (mail-bk0-f45.google.com [209.85.214.45]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p5si6779873bks.1.2012.05.03.10.07.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.45; Received: by mail-bk0-f45.google.com with SMTP id j10so1412686bkw.4 for ; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.145.70 with SMTP id c6mr1040685bkv.41.1336064876570; Thu, 03 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.71.14 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2012 10:07:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201205011556.54548.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <20120417173733.GQ24715@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <201204171705.19532.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201205011556.54548.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 13:07:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: babble From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.45 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174792f65d68db04bf24d8e9 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / --0015174792f65d68db04bf24d8e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cifta'a :-) On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday, May 01, 2012 11:45:58 Michael Turniansky wrote: > > I'd be inclined to cmoni, myself. The focus in bacru is the vocal > nature > > of the utterance, as opposed to non-vocalness, whereas the focus on cmo= ni > > is on the emotion/need that it expresses. But yeah, it will shade off = to > > bacru as the babies mature. > > If their vocal tract has not yet descended and they're making sounds that > only > babies can, that's cooing, or nu cmoni. If their vocal tract has descende= d > and > they're making consonants and vowels but not meaningful words, that's > babbling, or nu norbacru. I think there should be a more specific word fo= r > babies cooing, though. > > Pierre > -- > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --0015174792f65d68db04bf24d8e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
cifta'a :-)

On Tue, = May 1, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> w= rote:
On Tuesday, May 01, 2012 1= 1:45:58 Michael Turniansky wrote:
> =A0 I'd be inclined to cmoni, myself. =A0The focus in bacru is the= vocal nature
> of the utterance, as opposed to non-vocalness, whereas the focus on cm= oni
> is on the emotion/need that it expresses. =A0But yeah, it will shade o= ff to
> bacru as the babies mature.

If their vocal tract has not yet descended and they're making sou= nds that only
babies can, that's cooing, or nu cmoni. If their vocal tract has descen= ded and
they're making consonants and vowels but not meaningful words, that'= ;s
babbling, or nu norbacru. I think there should be a more specific word for<= br> babies cooing, though.

Pierre
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La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.

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