Received: from mail-vc0-f189.google.com ([209.85.220.189]:38594 helo=mail-vx0-f189.google.com) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SQOFz-0004ew-3c; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:45 -0700 Received: by vcbfo11 with SMTP id fo11sf3682898vcb.16 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=WjLBGqZL20MTkWJWek6/eA7oDWC1mboZ3bru+RZ/BR4=; b=SpPqLnrVhn/nufQh/LsFq5EYUV6QAfJmT7Y5Vw+3Okeg6IYO8VffktF3gvAOcW0VWo c1aTwScRbKzm0/Ndth/gDMpzQuk6KSx3/EJ3p/Q+nBRxEb/gfa6JtT6e3I3SMYx7ZgAl s9j1Rim/twhoaALXdf6EWAiJfSAIifG8dVm7w= Received: by 10.68.218.10 with SMTP id pc10mr789791pbc.8.1336160006259; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:26 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.68.242.40 with SMTP id wn8ls7568952pbc.1.gmail; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.33 with SMTP id px1mr4006022pbb.7.1336160005654; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.68.136.33 with SMTP id px1mr4006019pbb.7.1336160005643; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stodi.digitalkingdom.org (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rq3si12192529pbb.1.2012.05.04.12.33.25 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SQOFo-0004em-Hl for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 04 May 2012 12:33:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 12:33:24 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby words: "be careful of X" Message-ID: <20120504193324.GL13003@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <20120502050927.GH30708@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FA1BB56.5080801@lojban.org> <20120503052611.GT30708@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <4FA38AAA.2010808@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4FA38AAA.2010808@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 03:52:10AM -0400, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > >That exactly doesn't work, though; look at kajde. > > > > x1 (event/experience) warns/cautions x2 (person) of/about > > danger x3 (event/state/property). > > Good catch. > > >{kajde} describes that something happened/happens that warns > >someone about a danger. It is the mention, not the use. > >tu'a/jai doesn't fix this; > > I'm not sure why not. After seeing the place structure, I would > just modify my response to "tu'a mi kajde ..." "Something I do > warns you about ..." Right, but *what* is it that you do that warns them? Certainly *saying* {tu'a mi kajde ...} doesn't do it, any more than "I have warned you about ..." in English is warning someone. It's a mention of a warning, not a warning. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.