Received: from mail-bk0-f61.google.com ([209.85.214.61]:62983) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SQPWI-0005OT-Cm; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:39 -0700 Received: by bkcik5 with SMTP id ik5sf2054141bkc.16 for ; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-nvg-mailscanner-information :x-nvg-mailscanner:x-mailscanner-from:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=ISG7O9Cnug+YIeagVI182wM3Qwj9yGXz9pxxexaQP9E=; b=j8pJekbyAgNDeT0niw6m1VE4xQD/TVrsXh7zHTQUgGDKkuGEPQ8cZ27Q7UnsSQUom1 wx2ibar9SJbt2p34VF08K/pXJg+eZYep+n1IC/jp7CIdyMd/B6UMHxx4MYg57n5wi2wg srLNy14bXzq+PfBAltUPkiwX6LKC2fz5kQmGU= Received: by 10.205.118.133 with SMTP id fq5mr224358bkc.1.1336164862173; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:22 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.129.208 with SMTP id p16ls1557793bks.7.gmail; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr952744bkt.4.1336164859460; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.132.81 with SMTP id a17mr952743bkt.4.1336164859446; Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no. [129.241.210.67]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id hy18si11315361bkc.2.2012.05.04.13.54.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 04 May 2012 13:54:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=129.241.210.67; Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:92e6:baff:fe68:dd1c]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05813947B1 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 22:54:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (arj@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id q44Ks7SB005719 for ; Fri, 4 May 2012 22:54:07 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id q44Ks706005718 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Fri, 4 May 2012 22:54:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 May 2012 22:54:07 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Baby Words: Effort. Message-ID: <20120504205407.GJ21758@nvg.org> References: <20120504185220.GJ13003@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20120504185220.GJ13003@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Original-Sender: arj@nvg.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of arj@nvg.ntnu.no designates 129.241.210.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=arj@nvg.ntnu.no Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Fri, May 04, 2012 at 11:52:20AM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > I'm at something of a loss to express happiness at my babies putting > out a real effort at something. That's A Big Deal, because the > latest research indicates that praising effort (rather than innate > ability or accomplishment) is one of the best ways to raise happy > adults. > > I've been doing stuff like {.i do nandu troci .io sai}, but it's > pretty unsatisfying. Ideas? For effort as exertion (what I think you want): camtoi c1 effortfully tries to do t2 by method t3, as perceived by c3. tolsurla s1 expends effort/is actively/effortfully involved in doing/being s2 (activity) For effort as attempt: zukte x1 is a volitional entity employing means/taking action x2 for purpose/goal x3/to end x3. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ You Can't Have Your Kate And Edith Too. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.