Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:50277) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSBYd-0005jD-3I; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:26 -0700 Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18sf875769obb.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:date:from:to:message-id:in-reply-to:references:subject :mime-version:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:x-google-group-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=J6OLIB+GH1wWrJEyujs/D9lzhnqHYYpbD2iK4bORiL4=; b=siiqkLudD8ztSUk2YPEF5bwweh2+UfeHkM0vZYTSUvecdh0I2FO6Vi3g03hKUi57Zn AbF8bgilezh6iNyFG4UuHg/n+pnImFqtfmP6Uys76HIcZ7jhQ0M3DPqN88YS+saYFuj6 MLVO4i4F0MyKx84HjKCmk5MLN1ZIin/wjf3CM= Received: by 10.236.115.169 with SMTP id e29mr136091yhh.16.1336587848570; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.142.30 with SMTP id u30ls741964ann.2.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.77.9 with SMTP id c9mr180141yhe.2.1336587847226; Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 11:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: ianek To: lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> In-Reply-To: <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Subject: Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: janek37@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: ls.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of janek37@gmail.com designates internal as permitted sender) smtp.mail=janek37@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66_21710942.1336587846502" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / ------=_Part_66_21710942.1336587846502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote: > > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 05:33:34AM -0700, ianek wrote: > > coi rodo > > Quite often I hear that something in jbovlaste isn't good (usually > > misleading keywords). But jbovlaste is not carved in stone! How come > people > > keep complaining and errors are still there? I have some hypotheses: > > > > a) people are lazy > > It's more-or-less that; jbovlaste is written in a language framework > that no-one around here really likes, the original author is gone, > and I don't have the time. I've asked for help with it several > times, and been totally ignored. > I was talking about seperate things: the jbovlaste data and the jbovlaste interface. People complain about the data, especially misleading keywords/glosses. And AFAIK glosses are not baselined and can be changed at any time, unlike gismu definitions. And yet they stay the same. > > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the hardest > > part... > > I've also requested this many times. I gather Dag has done some > work here, but nothing worth showing off. > To complete such a project you need at least two people: one who has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and another, who knows what they want from this project and can demand from the former (which includes setting deadlines) and preferably has some power over them (eg. by paying them for work). It's not easy to get such two people, but it's even harder (pe'i) to get a bigger project done without them. I have some personal project (not Lojban-related) and as a single person I severely lack the second (the demanding), and I'm focusing on projects in which I have someone demanding. Well I hope my poor English didn't obscure my thoughts too much here. mu'o mi'e ianek > > -Robin > > -- > http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/lojban/-/gX7xXJZeBpIJ. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. ------=_Part_66_21710942.1336587846502 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote:On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 05:33:34AM= -0700, ianek wrote:
> coi rodo
> Quite often I hear that something in jbovlaste isn't good (usually= =20
> misleading keywords). But jbovlaste is not carved in stone! How co= me people=20
> keep complaining and errors are still there? I have some hypothese= s:
>
> a) people are lazy

It's more-or-less that; jbovlaste is written in a language framework
that no-one around here really likes, the original author is gone,
and I don't have the time.  I've asked for help with it several
times, and been totally ignored.

I was talking about seperate things: t= he jbovlaste data and the jbovlaste interface. People complain about the da= ta, especially misleading keywords/glosses. And AFAIK glosses are not basel= ined and can be changed at any time, unlike gismu definitions. And yet they= stay the same.
 

> Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the hardest
> part...

I've also requested this many times.  I gather Dag has done some
work here, but nothing worth showing off.

To complete such a project you need at= least two people: one who has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) a= nd another, who knows what they want from this project and can demand from = the former (which includes setting deadlines) and preferably has some power= over them (eg. by paying them for work).
It's not easy to get su= ch two people, but it's even harder (pe'i) to get a bigger project done wit= hout them.

I have some personal project (not L= ojban-related) and as a single person I severely lack the second (the deman= ding), and I'm focusing on projects in which I have someone demanding.

Well I hope my poor English didn't obscure my thoughts= too much here.

mu'o mi'e ianek
 

-Robin

--=20
http://singinst.org/= :  Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakn= i li'u

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