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[173.13.139.236]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id rq3si8672287pbb.1.2012.05.09.12.20.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 12:20:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) client-ip=173.13.139.236; Received: from rlpowell by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSCQs-0006KR-Oj for lojban@googlegroups.com; Wed, 09 May 2012 12:20:18 -0700 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 12:20:18 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] bugs in jbovlaste Message-ID: <20120509192018.GS27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <13765994.1942.1336566814390.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynss9> <20120509170127.GR27762@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <27554010.67.1336587846504.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@yngr14> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 173.13.139.236 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 11:24:06AM -0700, ianek wrote: > > > On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:27 PM UTC+2, Robin Powell wrote: > > > > On Wed, May 09, 2012 at 05:33:34AM -0700, ianek wrote: > > > coi rodo Quite often I hear that something in jbovlaste isn't > > > good (usually misleading keywords). But jbovlaste is not > > > carved in stone! How come people keep complaining and errors > > > are still there? I have some hypotheses: > > > > > > a) people are lazy > > > > It's more-or-less that; jbovlaste is written in a language > > framework that no-one around here really likes, the original > > author is gone, and I don't have the time. I've asked for help > > with it several times, and been totally ignored. > > > > I was talking about seperate things: the jbovlaste data and the > jbovlaste interface. People complain about the data, especially > misleading keywords/glosses. And AFAIK glosses are not baselined > and can be changed at any time, unlike gismu definitions. And yet > they stay the same. Gloss words for *gismu* are absolutely official, don't touch them. Make notes at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section%3A+gismu+Issues , and if you want me to get to them faster, help with CLLv1.1. For everything else, if you think it needs fixing, change it. Anything can be edited by anyone with an account. > > > Ad c. Maybe we should make jbovlaste 2.0? I think it's the > > > hardest part... > > > > I've also requested this many times. I gather Dag has done some > > work here, but nothing worth showing off. > > > > To complete such a project you need at least two people: one who > has the resources to do it (skill, time, will) and another, who > knows what they want from this project and can demand from the > former (which includes setting deadlines) and preferably has some > power over them (eg. by paying them for work). It's not easy to > get such two people, but it's even harder (pe'i) to get a bigger > project done without them. I'm perfectly capable of being the demander, if I had any evidence that there was anyone around here who could be the do-er; everyone who has ever offered to help with anything around here has stopped helping within, at the very longest, about a month[1]. We have money, but we don't have the kind of money to pay someone to complete a large-scale programming project at reasonable rates. -Robin [1]: There actually is one exception, but he had little choice as his mother insisted that he work, volunteer, or leave her house; IIRC he lasted for like 2 months, maybe 3, before suddenly stopping work for no apparent reason; I have no idea what he told his mom. -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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