Received: from mail-ob0-f189.google.com ([209.85.214.189]:57502) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSHV8-0000Ap-Hh; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:45:09 -0700 Received: by obbtb18 with SMTP id tb18sf1355667obb.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=IHouv/4FV6OSb3h0gn75DAtSMhOktkX8p4zRwOGxjq8=; b=pqkOFrksSekiZdcoQc6lvLKx+EJQQRQjNknUfG3WxI4qBW6InxpBf97k2h/vY3jjNb OBeNPrweLoduS3CruNFd8oo+NbM9Y+Apc+25PxJYkIDSZSNDrzkQuCsq3C33xKPbXfAF SKoZeJEaBqKrmyKz+NBKF+4dNTdprhM7rhDw4= Received: by 10.52.68.206 with SMTP id y14mr124037vdt.1.1336610695975; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.219.141 with SMTP id hu13ls2542285vcb.8.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.33.209 with SMTP id t17mr1749690vdi.0.1336610695473; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.33.209 with SMTP id t17mr1749689vdi.0.1336610695459; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-f47.google.com (mail-vb0-f47.google.com [209.85.212.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id jy3si1970661vdb.1.2012.05.09.17.44.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.47; Received: by mail-vb0-f47.google.com with SMTP id fr13so1057797vbb.6 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.52.26.84 with SMTP id j20mr1054098vdg.42.1336610695375; Wed, 09 May 2012 17:44:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.75.104 with HTTP; Wed, 9 May 2012 17:44:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4FAAD2F2.3060205@gmx.de> References: <4FAAD2F2.3060205@gmx.de> From: Jacob Errington Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 20:44:35 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] ko'a rodbo'e bai ko'e To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: nictytan@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of nictytan@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=nictytan@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=20cf307cfdc6b3696804bfa3ed7f X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.0 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / --20cf307cfdc6b3696804bfa3ed7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hm, I thought that apostrophe-syllables, like y-syllables, didn't count: [rodbO'e] and [rodbo'E] are the same, iirc. [rOdbo'e] is the correct pronunciation. (this rule doesn't seem very adhered to though, at least not by vensa and I when saying your name, selpa'i) mu'o mi'e la tsani On 9 May 2012 16:26, selpa'i wrote: > It's all a question of stress. You don't need spaces if you indidate > stress (using capital letters). > > rodbo'Ebai is one word, the stress as in any word falls on the last but > one syllable (the penultimate). > > rodbO'ebai is two words. the bai falls off because the stress is always on > the penultimate. Anything after the next syllable must be part of the next > word. > > Spaces in writing allow you to determine stress unambiguously without the > need of capital letters. If you want to omit spaces, you must indicate > stress on certain words to make sure the sentence is segmented correctly. > > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i > > Am 09.05.2012 21:49, schrieb jamatjam: > > coi rodo .i ti pamoi lo mi notci befo levi girzu .i mi'e la mudri .i >> ri xa fanva le romoi be le'i mi cmene >> >> ni'o ju'ocu'i la lojban. na nitcu kunti bu .i ku'i le jufra po le >> notcme cu nitcu kunti bu poi nenri zo rodbo'e ce'o zo bai .i .uanai xu >> lo stivla be tepi'o ti cu zasti >> >> IIRC, Lojban doesn't need spaces. However, the sentence in the title >> of this message needs a space between {rodbo'e} and {bai}. Is there an >> elidable terminator for this? >> >> mu'o >> >> > -- > .i da xamgu ganse fi no na'ebo lo risna > .i lo vajrai cu nonselji'u lo kanla > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@** > googlegroups.com . > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** > group/lojban?hl=en . > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --20cf307cfdc6b3696804bfa3ed7f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hm, I thought that apostrophe-syllables, like y-syllables, didn't count= :

[rodbO'e] and [rodbo'E] are the same, iirc. [r= Odbo'e] is the correct pronunciation. (this rule doesn't seem very = adhered to though, at least not by vensa and I when saying your name, selpa= 'i)

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 9 May 2012 16:26, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> = wrote:
It's all a question of stress. You don&#= 39;t need spaces if you indidate stress (using capital letters).

rodbo'Ebai is one word, the stress as in any word falls on the last but= one syllable (the penultimate).

rodbO'ebai is two words. the bai falls off because the stress is always= on the penultimate. Anything after the next syllable must be part of the n= ext word.

Spaces in writing allow you to determine stress unambiguously without the n= eed of capital letters. If you want to omit spaces, you must indicate stres= s on certain words to make sure the sentence is segmented correctly.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

Am 09.05.2012 21:49, schrieb jamatjam:

coi rodo .i ti pamoi lo mi notci befo levi girzu .i mi'e la mudri .i ri xa fanva le romoi be le'i mi cmene

ni'o ju'ocu'i la lojban. na nitcu kunti bu .i ku'i le jufra= po le
notcme cu nitcu kunti bu poi nenri zo rodbo'e ce'o zo bai .i .uanai= xu
lo stivla be tepi'o ti cu zasti

IIRC, Lojban doesn't need spaces. However, the sentence in the title of this message needs a space between {rodbo'e} and {bai}. Is there an<= br> elidable terminator for this?

mu'o


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