Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]:58446) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1SSIwt-0000pk-QK; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:52 -0700 Received: by yenl13 with SMTP id l13sf439212yen.16 for ; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:x-google-group-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=ODieT9iQL7WIkvKaH5mKlujaxGhq/LJG9u1tykb8ZsM=; b=KvRAiMPRCYDKNZHOYPVZUjPYgdQPTs8rruTCWItfwx8KE2zkJEfuJwy4CE0MY3CIEQ IvoFqNEXvIxRSI+uAId2yWyN0wtK2ge22rI9m7+z0JK/gbh42H6svflif6/yKYEhgbGw 95MNagyMUq4j3g75jQMca8eU3sltkfzJdk+0w= Received: by 10.236.154.67 with SMTP id g43mr246831yhk.12.1336616260889; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.236.114.50 with SMTP id b38ls10232922yhh.1.gmail; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.166.30 with SMTP id t30mr1158453ano.16.1336616260381; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.166.30 with SMTP id t30mr1158452ano.16.1336616260363; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chausie (cpe-069-132-101-103.carolina.res.rr.com. [69.132.101.103]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b73si4710854yhh.4.2012.05.09.19.17.39; Wed, 09 May 2012 19:17:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=69.132.101.103; Received: from ip6-localhost (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FB372E70 for ; Wed, 9 May 2012 22:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] ko'a rodbo'e bai ko'e Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 22:17:35 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4FAAD2F2.3060205@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201205092217.37157.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.132.101.103 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 1004133512417 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.7 X-Spam_score_int: -6 X-Spam_bar: / On Wednesday 09 May 2012 20:44:35 Jacob Errington wrote: > Hm, I thought that apostrophe-syllables, like y-syllables, didn't count: > > [rodbO'e] and [rodbo'E] are the same, iirc. [rOdbo'e] is the correct > pronunciation. (this rule doesn't seem very adhered to though, at least n= ot > by vensa and I when saying your name, selpa'i) Syllables with apostrophes do count. Syllables whose nucleus is just "y" do= =20 not count, unless they're the last syllable (which never occurs in brivla).= =20 Consonantal syllables don't count at all. The correct stress is "rodbO'e". A diphthong counts as only one syllable, even if pronounced as two, thus th= e=20 stress of "spatrxapio" is "spatrxApio" even if you pronounce=20 it "spat,r,xa,pi,o". (The same applies in Spanish, by the way. "apio" is=20 stressed on "a". And some past tenses of verbs ending in "-i=F3" are pronou= nced=20 with "-i,=F3".) Pierre --=20 li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.